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The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by meiraleal »

sudofail wrote: post #101
meiraleal wrote: post #74

The persecution of black people, too.

Let’s stop the false equivalency. Should more be done for the black community: absolutely. But black people aren’t locked up by the millions in internment camps.

false equivalency? if there is one I'd say the oppression to black people is way worse, specially with so many people invested in suppressing this discussion. It was the Uyghurs that built China's prosperity? Were they enslaved, lynched, segregated for centuries? I don't think there is really an equivalence. What the US did to the black people is a lot worse.

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Post by powerapple »

zpeti wrote: post #50
Miner49er wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the US really much better than China? We do similar to black, Native American, and immigrant people. I'm not sure I want either winning in their current state.

The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? Yeah. Accurate.

Probably because US just shoot them... not many native Americans, and the number of black lives are reducing when you white asses shoot them.

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Post by jiuahweruihawi »

Miner49er wrote: post #42
zpeti wrote: post #18

“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.

Is the US really much better than China? We do similar to black, Native American, and immigrant people. I'm not sure I want either winning in their current state.

Have you ever spent significant time outside the US?

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Post by PostOnce »

ASlave2Gravity wrote: post #69
zpeti wrote: post #18

“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.

I'm gonna get a lot of flak for this, but I think there's a massive anti-China narrative on HN. I see so much talk that's based off of people's view from an entirely Western media-centred POV. There's so much more to what's going on. There's a lot of pot calling the kettle black too. There's a lot of good stuff in the TLS from a few weeks back. Han is the cultural race/ethnicity in mainland China. [0] It's about 92%…

The existence of Taiwan and the lack of any of the criticism you mention applying to it seem to be a good counterpoint to what you imply is anti-Han-Chinese sentiment. Rather, it's anti-CCP sentiment that is broad and deep in the West.

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

Hokusai wrote: post #110
newbie578 wrote: post #33

The future looks scary if China is going to lead the world. Our best bet is to share wealth and innovation to all the other countries to try and reduce economic power of a single country. Having India, Pakistan, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea and Japan grow enough to create a sort of "buffer zone" around China.

The future is scary if any sole country leads the world. Only cooperation and shared responsibility creates a viable future for humanity.

The present is already scary. The US have led the work without cooperation for quite a long time (remember the 2003 invasion of Iraq?).

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Post by christkv »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #34

Often in discussions like this, someone claims that the Uighur crackdown is necessary “because Islamist extremism”. I strongly encourage everyone to familiarize themselves with the history of the Uighurs under Chinese rule, because this isn’t really about Islam. Namely, there used to be a very strong secular movement among the Uighurs, whose main complaint wasn’t the inability to practise Islam (some of these activis…

There is literally a corporation running the area like a modern day East India company on behalf of the Chinese state.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by LatteLazy »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #65
LatteLazy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Security Council nations all agreed that rules didn't apply to Security Council nations. The issue here is the UN has zero power to stop this and that's by design.

USA, EU members, Canada, Japan, Australia to start have a lot of power to make China think twice. SANCTIONS! Start with small sanctions first and then a sliding scale if they keep going. But good luck getting them all in the same page, they'll try to cheat and cut backroom deals with China.

I agree, I'd actively support such action. I'm just pointing out that that's up to those nations, not the UN.

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Post by pistoriusp »

ASlave2Gravity wrote: post #69
zpeti wrote: post #18

“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.

I'm gonna get a lot of flak for this, but I think there's a massive anti-China narrative on HN. I see so much talk that's based off of people's view from an entirely Western media-centred POV. There's so much more to what's going on. There's a lot of pot calling the kettle black too. There's a lot of good stuff in the TLS from a few weeks back. Han is the cultural race/ethnicity in mainland China. [0] It's about 92%…

Anti-China (The government) is not Anti-Chinese (The people).

I'm South African. I grew up in Apartheid and I'm white. It ended when I was 10.

Am I a bad person? No. Are my parent's bad people? No. Were my Grandparent's bad people? No.

The Apartheid Government of South Africa was terrible. Especially to black people, but also to white people who didn't toe the line.

Sanctions were very effective.

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Post by jiuahweruihawi »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #64
tsjq wrote: post #36

Quite surprised that the Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS, et al Global-Islamic-Caliphate forces haven't tried anything at this aggression against Muslims in China.

Maybe because they prefer to focus on countries that project their forces abroad to build empires (starting with oil resources)?

You obviously don't know much about what China is up to if you don't think that description applies to China.

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Post by fnord123 »

bodono wrote: post #17

This is the major humanitarian issue of our time. It's time to put aside profits and apply economic pressure to end this (and other crimes against tibetans, mongols etc). Does the enlightenment project in the West have any energy left?

> This is the major humanitarian issue of our time.

Not even close. There's reportedly 120,000 - 1m Uyghurs imprisoned, but even this is less than the deaths due to Coronavirus. Climate change will displace and kill more. We will also have to see what happens with the conflict in the Caucuses, but the civil war in Syria has displaced 6m people.

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