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One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#191

One guy didn't ruin it. This is a classic case of the cobra effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect ). DigitalOcean, like the British, had good intentions, but didn't think this through to its logical conclusion.

It has been a recurring issue in previous years. It’s apparently worse this time but they were very much notified, they simply do not care.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#192

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Unfortunately the largest demographic always gets demonized even if spam is not just limited to a particular group. Through sheer scale, spammers of Indian origin may be more noticeable than others and thus reinforcing the stereotype.

Eh, I would the say the ratio itself looks bad here. I am always surprised by how normalized and acceptable spamming is in the form of whatsapp forwarding. It's truly frightening watching my family use facebook and whatsapp groups. The spam to content ratio is like 10:1 or heck 20:1. Maybe even worse. .

I am guessing you havent been on the internet 20 years ago when Indians were barely on the internet and email spam and forwarding was a huge thing.

The issue was solved by Google (and others) stepping up their spam detection game. The spam problem can and should be stopped with the technology, but I am not sure if Facebook has the motivations to do this.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#193
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Some people are giving him the benefit of doubt because you don't understand hindi. Please don't. This person really did encourage his 600k+ subscribers to spam the PRs in no uncertain words. He explained how developers with swag clothing and brand stickers look cool and get respect. He told people "it won't improve you much as a developer. But hey, free t-shirt swag, and there's a well defined path to get it. I requ…

> Enthusiastic students have no one to mentored and direct them and it makes them act on lot of bad advice. I think this gives the spammers too easy an out. They're adults who live in a society. They know full well that spamming is not OK, either offline or online. They also know that what they're doing is spamming, not accidentally overly fervent contributions. Don't cut them any slack. This is pure and simple vanda…

The thing is they may not. For all we know, they're hearing about pull requests the first time and just seeing the presenter showing how easy it is to do, by altering/adding a few words, and get a free t-shirt. I think the blame is all on the channel. The least he could've made a proper pull request by fixing an issue. That said, the blame should also go on DO since they could've made hacktoberfest opt-in. Instead they encourage PRs on any public repo.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#194

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I'm almost afraid to ask this, so please assume good intent and bear with me - I promise this is a genuine question :) Different cultures definitely consider different things to be acceptable / polite / etc in the same situation (e.g., do you take your shoes off when entering another person's house?). I've heard that there's groups of Indians (possibly the descendants of certain castes?) that place a high value on en…

> if there's a cultural pressure to assertively put themselves out there and actively look for jobs in these ways. I am a student so my world-view is highly myopic. That said, in my personal experience, there is a pressure among engineers to stand out, else they won't get a good job. Also there's a rat race mentality inculcated by our parents to excel and always one-up others, rather than to co-operate and collaborat…

For more background on this, if you have the time, watch this movie:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Idiots

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#195
Simple fix for hacktoberfest maintainers - make it opt-in. Only merged PRs with the tag hacktoberfest from maintainers should count.

It's absurd that even closed prs count, and absurd they put the burden on maintainers to actively flag spam and auto-include all repos, many repos simply don't want changes of any kind.

Yes this means it won't apply to lots of repos and less people will be involved. That's ok.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#196
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You know, as one of the people who sat in a room with my colleagues, listening them talk about the hours and hour of thinking they had done around how to contribute meaningfully to OSS, revising and revising till they landed on hacktoberfest, I don't find this hilarious in the least. I talked to many maintainers in the first few years of it's existence who truly benefited from the contributions. Nothing we ever did a…

> You know, as one of the people who sat in a room with my colleagues, listening them talk through the hours and hour of thinking they had done around how to contribute meaningfully to OSS, revising and revising till they landed on hacktoberfest, I don't find this hilarious in the least. I talked to many maintainers in the first few years of its existence who truly benefited from the contributions. Nothing we ever di…

> I find it troublesome that a room full of people and no one raised a concern about how the whole thing would be misused

As someone completely unaffiliated with Hacktoberfest (only attendee over several years), my impression is that there really haven’t been much issues with it until this year.

I’m quite confident it was all done in good faith.

Unlike all those shit, SPAM PRs.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#197
Oh so this is what's happening to my repos. I maintain one that gets ~60 million downloads a week, and is usually the first thing people run to for help when something unrelated goes wrong.

This is nothing new, though the volume has increased a bit.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#198

Some people are giving him the benefit of doubt because you don't understand hindi. Please don't. This person really did encourage his 600k+ subscribers to spam the PRs in no uncertain words. He explained how developers with swag clothing and brand stickers look cool and get respect. He told people "it won't improve you much as a developer. But hey, free t-shirt swag, and there's a well defined path to get it. I requ…

I literally came here to say this. The first thought I had by looking at the screenshot of the PR(without watching the video) and reading the highlighted comment was that "This guy must be an Indian". I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but after watching the video, I was appalled by what I was hearing. And the worst part is, that he says you will learn how to make a PR. Sorry, but no, you will not learn ho…

If you go through some of his other videos, it seems he gains viewers by making clickbait-ish videos. One of videos says "Learn python in 1 video". The video is about 2 hours long.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm almost afraid to ask this, so please assume good intent and bear with me - I promise this is a genuine question :) Different cultures definitely consider different things to be acceptable / polite / etc in the same situation (e.g., do you take your shoes off when entering another person's house?). I've heard that there's groups of Indians (possibly the descendants of certain castes?) that place a high value on en…

> if there's a cultural pressure to assertively put themselves out there and actively look for jobs in these ways. I am a student so my world-view is highly myopic. That said, in my personal experience, there is a pressure among engineers to stand out, else they won't get a good job. Also there's a rat race mentality inculcated by our parents to excel and always one-up others, rather than to co-operate and collaborat…

> I'm not joking about these, job-hunting season is starting and I've seen resume of other students mention all this.

Be very careful with this. At a company I used to work for, the hiring managers started to have a negative view of Indians as they became known for their inflated resumes.

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