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Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by paines »

Jean-Philipe wrote: post #31
thdrdt wrote: post #2

Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

> The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. I don't get why they're doing that. Snaps have mostly created problems for me, like they don't scale when other apps do, or the styling is off, or they don't show up properly in the software manager. The snap daemon on one of my laptops always blocks the shutdown by 30 seconds. Generally a rather confusing experience.

>The snap daemon on one of my laptops always blocks the shutdown by 30 seconds.

I used Spotify, VS Code and some PS2 emulator from Snap and haven't seen this behaviour. Which snap package does that for you ?

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by viraptor »

jamieweb wrote: post #159
viraptor wrote: post #150

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> Snaps have mostly created problems for me I think this is the wrong way to look at it. You still have access to the same packages as before without snap. If you're using snap, that means you either explicitly chose it, or the package is not available in the repo. The choice here isn't between a package or a snap most of the time. It's between: not using the app, packaging it on your own, or using a snap which is no…

But certain packages are migrating to Snap-only, e.g. Chromium. I understand why they're doing this (primarily to save on build times), but the way they've gone about it (using a transitional Apt package that just installs the Snap) is messy and inconsistent. If I type `apt install` then I want an Apt package. Under no circumstances should this install a Snap.

> using a transitional Apt package that just installs the Snap

You need a migration path from an existing package. It's also nice not to invalidate every post on the web which describes the installation.

Chrome is special... it already doesn't really belong in the repository and was handled in a special way. It bundles tens of libraries in its binary without relying on the system/repo deps. It's actually more natural for it to live with all the other "include all deps" applications.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by VMG »

Jean-Philipe wrote: post #31
thdrdt wrote: post #2

Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

> The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. I don't get why they're doing that. Snaps have mostly created problems for me, like they don't scale when other apps do, or the styling is off, or they don't show up properly in the software manager. The snap daemon on one of my laptops always blocks the shutdown by 30 seconds. Generally a rather confusing experience.

These "statically linked" packages can solve certain problems very well. Packaging or installing Steam for non-Ubuntu platforms can be very tricky. I'm using the Steam flatpack version on Arch and it saved me a ton of hassle.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by notyourday »

doublesCs wrote: post #86
Zhyl wrote: post #47

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If you're just looking for a DE/WM that's light on resources, I can definitely recommend tiling window managers like i3 [1]. I'm not sure what other changes would be in your sightlines given that you were happy with Ubuntu, but I usually go to the Arch wiki in those times to see what fat I can trim off of my setup. [1] https://i3wm.org/

I enjoyed reading i3's landing page, thanks for linking. So could you clarify for me, what's the relation between being a "tiling windows manager" and being light? Is it that for some technical reason one would expect tiling windows managers in general to be lighter than non-tiling? Or is it that orthogonally to the tiling aspect, i3 specifically aims to be light?

I have been using Openbox exclusively since about 2005. on both laptops and desktops. It is highly customizable, super light and floating window manager. Using wmctrl wrappers around launcher keystrokes or window management keystokes I can achieve the tiling functionality that I want without committing to tiling only workflow:

* space splitting for launcher * some sticky displays in multi-display desktops

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by coinerone »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #140
coinerone wrote: post #96

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Have you ever tried to open an Excel Sheet from 2002, that one that is existencially important for the whole success of the company :), with makros as big as the Windows Codebase itself, in Libre Office? I can tell MS Office will not leave the field.

Don't you even get me started on xls from 2002. That pathetic standard was poorly supported even my MS itself, files were opening with great difficulties and differences even on same version of Excel on different PCs, and sometimes newer versions could not open them properly at all. Once I have discovered that one .XLS file could internally have different types of encoding within one same document. Anyway. It is clea…

Yes! Im with you on that. But it is not the tech or IT "Poeple" that we are talking about here. This Discussion is going on for many years now and there will be another 10 Years of "simple" solutions. I will be honest here. As a Programmer and Application Supporter (for 17 Years now) i earn Money with that kind of Problems. I dont like MS and it would be a joy to switch to GNU/Linux. But i think i will see someone standing on Mars before MS Office will be replaced.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by jki275 »

thdrdt wrote: post #2

Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

Most people stick with Mac and Windows because of MS Office, not Adobe.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by FpUser »

timClicks wrote: post #125
thdrdt wrote: post #2

Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

Snaps are significantly safer for users and easier for publishers to produce. The styling issues and so forth occur because of a security-first mindset. [Disclaimer: work for Canonical, but not on the Snapcraft team]

As a user I do not care about publisher's convenience. They should solve their own problems without making users the victims of said convenience. As for "safer" - I'll buy this argument when you get rid of slow startup, bloat and other problems associated with snap.
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