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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by macintux »

scarface74 wrote: post #95
raiyu wrote: post #40

The crazy part about this is that in the meeting of setting targets one option that came up was folding the cloud unit entirely. And this was already after billions invested. I don't really believe that they will leave the cloud wars, but still goes to show you the scale and profitability of their ad business and how central it is that even after billions of invested they can still decide to shutter something. Doesn'…

Why not abandon a project that isn’t successful just because you invested billions? Doing the opposite is the definition of the “sunk cost fallacy”.

Sometimes it's worth running a project at a loss in exchange for other benefits, such as enterprises' trust that you will be a good product steward.

If they kill GCP, what CTO in their right mind would ever choose Google for a mission critical service?

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by scarface74 »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #130
scarface74 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is far from the world’s “third largest provider” https://www.techrepublic.com/article/public-cloud-market-sha... As far as the manager “being on the chopping block” the article talks about “losing funding”. $8 billion in revenue means nothing. Is it profitable? This is the same company that left an entire city’s streets in disarray after abandoning Google Fiber. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2…

Jesus, talk about hyperbole. "Far"? Trailing a couple percent behind Alibaba, a chinese only hosting provider? Get real

Let’s take the raw numbers then. 4.8% compared to 47%.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by cdumler »

Shakahs wrote: post #28

I'm astounded that they would seriously consider closing GCP after committing so much time, money, and effort into building it. Every time there's a GCP story on HN commenters say "I won't use it because Google can just pull the plug." I thought this opinion was silly as GCP is the #3 cloud provider in the world, not a free service like Reader. Guess I was wrong, nothing is safe. Google wants #1 or nothing at all.

In my opinion, it's just a consequence of the culture of stack ranking. The only thing that promotes you is if you deliver something. Not supporting something well. Not having an established, loyal customer base. Or, even if you provide good support/bug fixing. It's make something go public. Doesn't matter in what state. It's why I wasn't in the least shocked about Stadia's problems.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by steverb »

tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #160
zapita wrote: post #144

AWS is unassailable as number one, but Azure is more fragile than they might appear in their #2 position. They use their Office online revenue to boost their numbers (EDIT: apparently they don't do that anymore) , and their utilization is probably lower than the competition because they rely heavily on bundling new cloud services into legacy contracts at renewal to reach their targets. So lots of Office / Outlook / A…

> Azure’s technology stack is dreadful. Can you describe what you are referring to here? I've only used AWS a bit but it's been littered with WTFs.

I've been quite pleased with the Azure stack myself. There is the issue of figuring out what the marketing team named the damned thing you are looking for, but I had the same problem with AWS.

I am focused primarily on .Net though, so your YMMV by a lot.

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Post by tanilama »

scarface74 wrote: post #141
tanilama wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Closely yes. But I think even the idea of retiring is insane. This is not any free customer facing product. The impact is totally different.

You mean like Google Fiber?

Shoot....Forget about this one...

But warranted, Google Fiber had never grown to Google Cloud's importance I would say

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Post by freehunter »

closeparen wrote: post #69
peteretep wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A CTO betting the farm on Google’s cloud is displaying reckless naivety. Google’s arrogance towards its customers is legendary.

So is a CTO betting on Amazon never turning into Oracle.

Amazon turning into Oracle is bad but it's a lot less disruptive to a company's operations than GCP shutting down.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by yyyk »

There's no way for Google Cloud to achieve this. Even if Google does everything perfectly, both AWS and Azure are just too entrenched to be dethroned in such a short period of time.

Therefore, this story is almost equivalent to saying 'Google will ignore cloud from 2023 onward'. Were I ever to consider GCP, this alone would cause me to run far far away.

If Google is serious at all about cloud, it would issue a quick denial. If it does not, well, it would be evidence in favour of the story's credibility.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by skinkestek »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #109
scarface74 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is certainly not as true with Microsoft or AWS. You remember the old saying that “no one ever got fired for buying IBM”? If someone bet the farm on IBM in the 70s, they could still buy compatible systems. Do you think you are at more risk betting your enterprise on Microsoft or Google?

> Do you think you are at more risk betting your enterprise on Microsoft or Google? Microsoft? No. Google? Absolutely. I don't trust Google for anything that isn't related to selling ads. And I trust they will maintain their relationship for God-fucking-awful customer support. And I assume they will continue their tradition of sunsetting projects haphazardly. I don't know why anyone would trust Google today.

After seeing how amazingly much better Facebook properties targets ads I won't even trust Google to do that.

Lately I've been using Instagram multiple times a month and the ads I get there are relvant, sometimes even useful (I once actually bought a product from one such ad that I actually like and wouldn't have been aware of without, and I am a typical HNer that have always said ads are wasted on me, because they have been for 10 years).

Contrast this to Google who has way more datapoints on me yet end up showing ads asking if I have old mens problems or suggest I join a dating site for elderly. And that is just the icing on the cake: they've been pushing dating sites ever since I got engaged over 5 years ago.

My account might be a fluke but I guess I am not allne.

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