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Post by nradov »

lumberjack wrote: post #50
tathougies wrote: post #41

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Yes we have redefined conservative to be anyone with whom we disagree. The shooter posted about various 'concerns'. He was worried about environmental destruction caused by massive corporations and immigrants. This seems neither republican, Democrat, progressive, nor religious. The best description is eco nationalist but that doesnt even cover it. Given the major figures in the conservative movement were criticized f…

Ecofascism is what it is called and it is an inside joke. It is not a serious political position. It is meant precisely to confuse people like you.

Vice has an article about Eco-fascism.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/vbw55j/understanding-the-...

(I have no idea whether the article is accurate or if the movement is connected to this latest incident.)

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Post by rightbyte »

Fnoord wrote: post #163
csydas wrote: post #105

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Well, since I still go to a lot of secret-handshake-style message boards that get a lot of crossposting from the *chan boards and have such guys, my perspective is a bit different. I will not claim you don't and are wrong, but here's my perspective from what I see daily, both personally and professionally (as I offer as much advice as I can to help these guys get out of the spiral they're in) >...And its societies fa…

The movie Romper Stomper [1] shows accurately how someone can get sucked into violence. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romper_Stomper

It does? As I remember all the main characters are already violent at the begging of the film.

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Post by leereeves »

noobermin wrote: post #110
faissaloo wrote: post #84

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This keeps getting repeated but it's not exactly true, 8chan was started because Fredrick Brennan had a shroom trip where he saw an Ouroboros and came up with the idea to make a 4chan where you could make your own board. People then ended up migrating over during GamerGate because Moot was shutting down discussion of it.

Never hung around /v/ during those years, but my guess is it there was no censorship, it was just paranoia as usual. If they really cared so much about it, they could post on /b/.

If you don't know, why are you posting a guess?

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Post by deogeo »

mikedilger wrote: post #71

The theory seems to be that white supremacists just naturally wish to commit violent hate crimes and that white supremacists use 8chan to indoctrinate more followers. What if it turns out that white supremacists primary wish is to have their arguments heard by society, but society has instead cast them out and refuses to let them post elsewhere so they can only post on 8chan, and that some of them, mentally unstable,…

> the Christchurch one is illegal for me to read

Could you elaborate on this? It sounds awful to me - someone could tell you anything they want about the manifesto and the shooter's motivations, and it would be illegal for you to check if they are lying or not.

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Post by jrnichols »

8456523 wrote: post #180

The 4-page manifesto posted yesterday: https://egbertowillies.com/2019/08/03/patrick-crusius-manife...

Has that been verified as actually being his? Twitter reports were saying that it was a hoax and hasn't been attributed to the El Paso criminal.

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Post by dkersten »

solipsism wrote: post #89
codingslave wrote: post #85

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I think there's more going on in our current society than is being discussed. What it is exactly, and why its happening, is really hard to tell. We cant see the forest from the trees. But I don't think its young men's fault, I think that things have gotten objectively worse for them. People are responding, and are increasingly responding with huge negativity. I think this has nothing to do with how they're raised, an…

But I don't think its young men's fault, I think that things have gotten objectively worse for them Don't go there. Don't say mass shooters aren't at fault. The thing is, you don't need to. Both things can be true -- life is hard and unfair for certain people in certain ways, and that in the aggregate is bound to lead to more mass killings and other negative effects like suicide.. and the ones who decide to kill inno…

Why would you equate "young men" to "mass shooters"? You literally took the quoted sentence out of context.

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Post by kstenerud »

patientplatypus wrote: post #80
kstenerud wrote: post #60

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It is actually that simple, because it is a fundamental part of social psychology. In primitive cultures, when one man amassed too much wealth, he'd give it away for two reasons: one: it brings him prestige as a benefactor, and two: it prevents disgruntled members from killing him. We're socially wired to keep things "fair", and when very unfair things happen, we have an almost religious feeling of righteous indignat…

That is the most succinct well thought out reasoning on this phenomenon I have ever read. I wish there was a way to stop this rather than have "rich people should share", because that just seems really unlikely :<

All societies drift towards inequality. We can't avoid that because our rules and laws are imperfect, and people will take advantage to control a bigger slice of the pie. That's fine, so long as we have corrections from time to time to redistribute wealth and power (such as the wealth giveaways that primitive societies practiced, or debt jubilees in more complex societies).

Historically, when inequality goes on for too long, social unrest takes root and gradually grows worse, divisive factions and subgroups grow, "little battles" take place, and, if untreated for too long, revolution breaks out.

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Post by Fnoord »

rightbyte wrote: post #192
Fnoord wrote: post #163

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The movie Romper Stomper [1] shows accurately how someone can get sucked into violence. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romper_Stomper

It does? As I remember all the main characters are already violent at the begging of the film.

They're already on a path of hatred but in different degrees. I'd say one of them, the leader, drags them down into misery. The girl is a daddy issues 101. I felt she got dragged down the most, perhaps because I resonated with her the most as being clever.

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Post by watwut »

darawk wrote: post #90
codingslave wrote: post #85

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I think there's more going on in our current society than is being discussed. What it is exactly, and why its happening, is really hard to tell. We cant see the forest from the trees. But I don't think its young men's fault, I think that things have gotten objectively worse for them. People are responding, and are increasingly responding with huge negativity. I think this has nothing to do with how they're raised, an…

I think it's essentially draws back to the incel/hikkomori phenomenon. You never see young men in relationships doing these kinds of things...whether it's a white right wing mass shooter or an Islamic suicide bombing. People seem to want to pin these things on ideology, because that's the reason the perpetrators themselves give for what they do. But it seems more likely to me to be a reaction to a life they view as h…

If you read about shooters, there are good reasons why girls don't date them. Mostly them being impossible to even speak with for anyone. Or maybe, girls are less likely to date increasingly violent dude. Or dude who refuses to speak to them.

And it has nothing to do with dude "having no prospects". That people in this state then fit greatly into ideological bubble that feeds their delusions is something we can criticize ideological bubble for.

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