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Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by Nimitz14 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #58
jimnotgym wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand the whole community uses the airport? Presumably living close to it has it's own advantages? I don't have to suffer it so I am probably underplaying, but presumably it is a trade off? It is really annoying in my area how hard it is to get to the airport, whereas if I lived close by I could take a bus. Maybe this is just the trade off people make?

>> On the other hand the whole community uses the airport? Really? Most people cannot afford regular air travel. Most people fly very rarely, less than once a year and then only for extraordinary things. If you live under an airport what you see is people much richer than you flying around doing the stuff you can only dream of doing. It is much easier to make a complaint about a service that you do no regularly use.

This is completely untrue in Europe. Flying is cheaper than taking a train somewhere with Ryanair and Easyjet. It's easy to get a ticket to a prime destination (any major capital) for 25 euros, return included.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by Raphmedia »

jimnotgym wrote: post #28

In the UK Gatwick and Heathrow airports have been there for a generation. By this I mean that the vast majority of people moved to their noise-affected houses knowing the airport was there already. Do these people deserve our sympathy? Initially i find it hard to be charitable towards them. In my local town there is a pub that has been there for around 600 years. A particularly pushy person moved in next door, compla…

When I knew that all of the other apartments in the block I am living in were empty, I would throw parties.

Big loud parties, where people would yell and music would blare until the sun rose in the morning.

No one was living there but me so nobody was aware of them. It's a brick building so the noise wouldn't make it outdoor. Since it's winter, people keep their windows closed.

Once people moved in, I stopped hosting those.

Using your arguments, I should keep throwing them even if it means disturbance to the neighbors simply because it was an habit that started before they moved in.

I can't see myself saying: "Oh, those loud parties at night? They are happening since before you moved in. Surely you were aware of them when you visited during the day, you could see the plastic cups in the trash in front of the block! Get used to them or move!"

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by GFischer »

cyberferret wrote: post #132
c54 wrote: post #83

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I appreciate your example especially since it’s something you couldn’t really have looked up beforehand. Imagine searching “raves til 5am in my area” But flight paths are a known known. Maps exist. Noise level maps exist. Airport locations, runway directions, departing and arriving flight paths (and altitudes!) all exist. Caveat emptor, you got a “good deal” on a house because it’s in a loud area. If you cared about…

Once again - anecdotal evidence from my own experience - when we bought our house, which was the biggest purchase of our lives, we made sure that during the cooling off period before final settlement, we spent a lot of time parking our car on the street where our house was and walking around. Day time, night time, weekends, working hours, we spent at least 30 to 60 minutes in the neighbourhood on multiple occasions t…

There are some markets where the real estate business is insane, you don't get to make those studies.

I once had 30 minutes to make an offer on a flat, I actually matched the asking price... and was outbid an hour later.

Current price for that flat is 50% higher now. I'm still renting :( .

And it was a sketchy part of town with known crime (mostly theft, not violence).

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by air7 »

Zanni wrote: post #82
signal11 wrote: post #46

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Even before this, researchers have noticed that a few people generate a disproportionate number of noise complaints (both links from 2016): US: https://www.mercatus.org/publications/airport-noise-nimbyism UK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37803205 (half of the around 25,000 complaints were made by 10 people) I wonder if these people are more susceptible to noise than others, or are simply more tolerant of / m…

On the disproportionate number of noise complaints from a few people: I've noticed in my own case that there was a huge bar to making my first noise complaint (I don't live under a flight path, but across from a beach park where people like to party after hours and blast loud music). The first few times I suffered through it. Eventually it was so bad, I went out at 3am to ask, politely, for them to keep it down (the…

Interestingly, you eventually became "that guy".

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by barrow-rider »

air7 wrote: post #196
Zanni wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the disproportionate number of noise complaints from a few people: I've noticed in my own case that there was a huge bar to making my first noise complaint (I don't live under a flight path, but across from a beach park where people like to party after hours and blast loud music). The first few times I suffered through it. Eventually it was so bad, I went out at 3am to ask, politely, for them to keep it down (the…

Interestingly, you eventually became "that guy".

More like his neighbors became "those people"

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by wjossey »

eponeponepon wrote: post #173
cm2187 wrote: post #157

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Funny I had the opposite experience in the UK (London). Some 50-ish cars doing a sort of illegal car tuning gathering under my windows in the middle of the night (midnight). It wasn't the first time and I knew it could last for a couple of hours. Making loud noise with their engines and sound systems. I first went to speak to them and asked them to move around (they were also obstructing the traffic). They just laugh…

Yeah, the non-emergency number seems to be a placebo to me - I've never heard of anyone getting any results by ringing it. I'm sure things were better when one used to be able to ring the local station direct.

In Los Angeles I’ve used the non emergency line a bunch due to homeless individuals causing issues, and in every case I’ve had a cop come within the hour. I know because they always give me a ring when they are at the location to just walk through what I saw.

My experience doesn’t seem to mirror everyone’s though in LA, so it may have just been the Wilshire division was all over it.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by magic-chicken »

cyberferret wrote: post #23

Just wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets,…

I think that for most people in the article, their house was not under a flight path when they bought it :

>>> The multibillion-dollar program is changing the way air traffic is managed, moving it from radar to satellite navigation. Proponents say it makes the air traffic system more efficient because it allows planes to fly more direct routes to their destinations.

But the shift has angered residents, who live in neighborhoods that are below the new flight paths. Residents in Northwest Washington sued the FAA over the changes but lost in court. A suit filed by the state of Maryland is pending.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by opless »

eponeponepon wrote: post #173
cm2187 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny I had the opposite experience in the UK (London). Some 50-ish cars doing a sort of illegal car tuning gathering under my windows in the middle of the night (midnight). It wasn't the first time and I knew it could last for a couple of hours. Making loud noise with their engines and sound systems. I first went to speak to them and asked them to move around (they were also obstructing the traffic). They just laugh…

Yeah, the non-emergency number seems to be a placebo to me - I've never heard of anyone getting any results by ringing it. I'm sure things were better when one used to be able to ring the local station direct.

I’ve used the non-emergency number when students parties get a bit out of hand and are noisy at 2pm.

They don’t promise anything but ultimately a patrol car wanders by about 30-60 minutes later and quite often they park up and “investigate”.

This usually results in very much quieter parties for the duration of their tenancy.

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