Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is • Hacker News Board

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by Grollicus » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:03 PM UTC

gingerlime wrote: post #156

Grollicus wrote: post #123

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Im Germany you generally need to send a real letter (or a fax) and it needs to contain your signature. "Authentication" for this is provided by harsh penalties on signature forgeries. Also, you'd only get one single data point and everything really sensitive has address data and they will* send their response to a known address.

If all information you have about a person is their email (and usage data) then this won’t make a difference though... The GDPR considers even an IP address personal data, even if you have no way to correlate it with a real person. So where does this leave you if you have to respond? Imagine I’m sending a request for information from a given IP address, requesting all the personal information you hold on that IP. I k…

An IP address is only personal data in combination with a timestamp or similar time-related information. I don't see an attack scenario where an attacker would gain anything useful.

Note that he's propably still risking jail time over this.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by return0 » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:03 PM UTC

molf wrote: post #138

return0 wrote: post #113

So the entire web that depends on ads is doomed, google and fb. will now keep 100% of advertising revenue, and european users will start receiving 2nd-rate service (if at all) , because they are unmonetizable. I think the article has too much FUD

You can show ads without needlessly collecting personal data.

... if you have the money to hire at least one marketing manager and buy some ad managing software.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by lossolo » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:04 PM UTC

return0 wrote: post #188

beojan wrote: post #142

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> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

> We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. That would be a terrible dependency for eastern europe, you wouldn't want putin-friendly government media teaching people what to vote next.

There is only one "eastern europe" country that is really Putin friendly and it's Hungary, the rest is anti Putin.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by raiph » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:05 PM UTC

I'm surprised there's been no mention in this thread of Brave and/or BAT.[1] Or is my understanding that they're directly relevant a misunderstanding?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Attention_Token

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by tanilama » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:06 PM UTC

rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

I thought about it before. Yeah it will make analytics driven journalism unprofitable. But why this is a bad thing anyway? The old subscription model works and the quality of the content is high.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by detaro » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:07 PM UTC

ptype wrote: post #153

detaro wrote: post #141

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Yes, it is. That you don't necessarily have the ability to make that connection doesn't matter, although if it turns out you have it of course makes matters worse. (This also isn't new under GDPR, current european law interpretation already supports this. See http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&doc... for the court decision firmly establishing this: Since the visitors provider has the data, and w…

Well actually this analysis by White & Case of the same case[1], seems to suggest that it may not be (paragraph “impact on businesses”) personal data if the business has no means of linking the addresses to users. [1] https://www.whitecase.com/publications/alert/court-confirms-...

Interesting, commentary I saw interpreted that more widely. Thanks for the link!

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by Xylakant » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:07 PM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #87

akie wrote: post #75

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IIRC it applies to EU citizens wherever they are, not just people who are on EU territory.

It applies to EU residents . So someone who's Spanish living in US would not be covered, but an American living in Spain would be.

The scope is wider. It applies to people in the EU, regardless of resident or not. A US resident on vacation in Spain would be covered.

See https://cybercounsel.co.uk/data-subjects/

> 1. A Data Subject under GDPR is anyone within the borders of the EU at the time of processing of their personal data. However, they can also be anyone and anywhere in the context of EU established Data Controllers an Data Processors.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by floatingatoll » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:07 PM UTC

mlinksva wrote: post #3

> Today, for instance, we see that a majority of people who install an ad blocker don't actually do it to block ads (that's just an added bonus). They are actually doing it to block tracking. Is there any evidence for this at all?

One of our mobile apps, Firefox Focus, pointedly targets users who want to block tracking but don’t care about advertising otherwise. I’ve personally heard a pair of unprompted non-tech people in a non-tech city discussing it over beer after work. I submit the existence of our app and my personal experience as sufficient to meet the terms of your question. “is there any evidence at all”: yes!

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by home_boi » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:10 PM UTC

martin_bech wrote: post #187

sumeno wrote: post #170

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You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored? You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?

How is CNN, Fox News and the sinclair group, working out for you guys? I trust state paid media in the EU, way more than any US news media. The reason why most EU countries have state paid media, is so that its non commercial, non partisan, and cant be bought. There are different principles in place, so government has no say, in what is broadcast/not broadcast. This also means that all political parties get the same…

I don't read news but I'm sure that GDPR would hurt the smaller, independent news websites or aggregators that people find reputable more than CNN, Fox News and sinclair group. The latter at least have TV advertising. Their website is just horizontal integration for them.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by mayniac » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:10 PM UTC

MarkMc wrote: post #165

It seems to me that GDPR restricts economic growth. For example, I'd be quite happy to let my local supermarket sell my personal data to Google in exchange for a 3% discount on my grocery prices. Everone would benefit: (1) The supermarket gets an additional source of revenue; (2) Google can charge more for ads; (3) The toothpaste company gets better return on it's advertising; (4) I pay less for my groceries. GDPR pr…

From what I can see, this would be fine under GDPR anyway, so long as when you buy something in a supermarket they ask you "is it okay if we send information of what you bought to Google?"

Of course it's completely impractical to get cashiers to do this every time someone buys something, so it will likely just be applicable to store reward cards. They're doing this already, and all GDPR will introduce is moving the paragraph in the TOC you sign which says "we might sell your data to third parties" to the top in big letters and make sure you explicitly agree to it (or similar to achieve informed consent). As well as adding some safeguards in place.

A point on your example, stores already do sell your personal data to third parties as an additional source of revenue, but instead of giving you a 3% discount they usually just analyse your purchasing habits and throw discounts on other goods which they think you'll be susceptible to buying, so usually instead of you spending less you actually spend more on things you didn't really want before being offered.