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Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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If they sell your receipt data to Uber, who else might they sell it to? An insurance company? A hedge fund? Your bank?

>anonymized It would be much bigger news if they were selling data that could be used against the consumers on an individual basis.

Given sufficient data, nothing's really anonymous. That's a bullshit hedge.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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I really hope Lyft doesn't do anything to screw up, as I've uninstalled Uber and will probably never use the service again. However, I don't see myself going back to regular taxi system as that's even more corrupt and despicable. I just hope Lyft plays the game with a social conscious and makes positive decisions and continues to treat drivers well (most Lyft drivers I talk to say they like driving for Lyft way bette…

>regular taxi system as that's even more corrupt and despicable. The idea that the taxis are corrupt and despicable is 100% Uber/Lyft propaganda. The idea that a bunch of immigrants driving 12 hours a day to support a meager income for their families are a cabal of special interests is ridiculous. Uber and Lyft are better than taxis because of the on demand nature and they are cheaper because of better utilization. B…

> The idea that the taxis are corrupt and despicable is 100% Uber/Lyft propaganda.

Have you ever actually used a taxi?

It's incredibly common for taxi drivers to refuse to pick you up because you don't look desirable, or aren't going to the right place, or want to use a credit card, or any other reason (all of which are totally illegal). They flout the rules regularly, it's by no means propaganda.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

#193
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This really doesn't match up with how the conversation/outrage is playing out on Twitter right now. People seem to be interpreting this as "Uber continues to track your location after you have deleted the app," when what really happened seemed to be "If you delete Uber and then reinstall it on the same phone, Uber knows that it's the same phone." See for example this Tweet, with hundreds of retweets and lots of verif…

jesus. that guy is a reuters "reporter" as well. stuff like this is what encourages the concept of 'fake news'

The concept of fake news Rose from one guy making shit up for ad money. The whole ordeal about how fake news is this sinister plot to disinform is a disinformation effort in itself. There's a big difference about reporting while being misinformed vs disinforming or to harness views.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

#194
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It'd be nice if Apple had been less pragmatic and more principled and just yanked any version of the Uber app that broke the rules.

Uber has millions of people who use and love the service. Yanking the app without notice doesn't just punish the company it punishes those users. Working with Uber to get the issue fixed without punishing innocent bystanders is good policy.

Hence my description of the move as pragmatic.

The thing you leave out is that inflicting the inconvenience on the users would have increased the chances of the users understanding what Uber had been doing.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

#196
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Flexible schedules has almost nothing to do with employees vs contractors.

Uh yes it does. If you are sitting your own hours, they definitely points towards contractor. https://www.oregon.gov/ODA/shared/Documents/Publications/Nat...

It's a 20 question scale so on it's own it means nothing. But yes when combined with a lot of other evidence it vaguely hints to contractor.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #155

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This jumped out at me, too. Here's how Unroll.me describes their service: Clean up your inbox Instantly see a list of all your subscription emails. Unsubscribe easily from whatever you don’t want. It's not clear at all that they are reading people's emails and selling the data.

What you read on the public site is the USP for the users that install the unroll.me app. They are not the economic buyers, the ones who pay for the service. Those are the people that buy the user's aggregate data. They get in-person pitches on confidential slides, because if their USP leaked to the public, nobody would install and use the app.

"We may collect, use, transfer, sell, and disclose non-personal information for any purpose. For example, when you use our services, we may collect data from and about the “commercial electronic mail messages” and “transactional or relationship messages” (as such terms are defined in the CAN-SPAM Act (15 U.S.C. 7702 et. seq.) that are sent to your email accounts.

We may collect and use your commercial transactional messages and associated data to build anonymous market research products and services with trusted business partners. If we combine non-personal information with personal information, the combined information will be treated as personal information for as long as it remains combined.

Aggregated data is considered non-personal information for the purposes of this Privacy Notice."

https://unroll.me/legal/privacy/

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

#198
post #92

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Did you just diagnose someone with a condition that isn't found in the DSM and then cite your own website as a source of evidence?

> Did you just diagnose someone with a condition that isn't found in the DSM and then cite your own website as a source of evidence? I knew Steve Jobs personally. He was a malignant narcissist as that term is defined[ * ]. Also, what pivotal role can scientific evidence play in an unscientific field like psychology? > ... with a condition that isn't found in the DSM ... Conditions arrive at, and depart from, the DSM…

> He was a malignant narcissist as that term is defined[ * ]

From that page on Wikipedia:

"as a hypothetical syndrome, it would have..."

And a history full of anonymous edits, and people banned for abusing single purpose accounts.

You and your friends are not psychiatrists, however much you play one on the Internet, citing pages on Wikipedia that refer to this that do not exist by their own admission, and which I would be wholly unsurprised to learn if it's was shown that you had a notable role in its creation and/or content.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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That's true, but there's a bit of live by the sword, die by the sword here. Uber is no stranger to the power of propaganda with their campaigns on the sharing economy, unions, regulations, etc.

Because we all expect journalistic integrity from Uber. Uber provides a service people need. Journalism is blogspam garbage.

You think that Uber is a service that people need? This sounds like exactly the kind of company that should be held to a high standard.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

#200
post #18

I really hope Lyft doesn't do anything to screw up, as I've uninstalled Uber and will probably never use the service again. However, I don't see myself going back to regular taxi system as that's even more corrupt and despicable. I just hope Lyft plays the game with a social conscious and makes positive decisions and continues to treat drivers well (most Lyft drivers I talk to say they like driving for Lyft way bette…

I don't think you can support a ridesharing company that by design treats employees as contractors and also be socially conscious . If you really want to do this use public transportation .

> I don't think you can support a ridesharing company that by design treats employees as contractors and also be socially conscious

You state that like it's a proven fact, when it's anything but. I personally think it's farcical to treat Uber drivers as employees. They have no set schedule, location, or expectations. They're constantly making ad-hoc decisions on which rides to accept.

The closest analogue is traditional taxi drivers, who also aren't employees.

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