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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by WildUtah »

tptacek wrote: post #181
aomurphy wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A majority of Americans want to allow refugees from Muslim countries, including Syria: http://www.voanews.com/a/poll-americans-divided-along-party-... Democrats (who voted 89% for Hillary) are strongly in support. Overall 59% of Americans believe immigrants make the country stronger: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/15/americans-vi...

Since the actual facts seem so starkly in opposition to 'WildUtah's point, I'd be really interested in seeing what evidence he expected to use to support his argument --- if only to see whether I'm misunderstanding his point.

How that poll is taken:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkTwY6aalg

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by cmurf »

michaelchisari wrote: post #180
maxerickson wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was obviously poorly planned. And it is pretty capricious. But yeah, he did repeatedly say he would do it.

Which is why people were protesting the day after the inauguration. When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

Birtherism, the Central Park Five, etc. The blatant bigotry is either desired, or all too easily diminished and dismissed or he would not be president. As much as it implicates Trump, keep in mind the U.S. Speaker of the House agreed with this specifically signed policy yesterday, as has the Vice President.

It is a trap to think this is about just Trump.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by [deleted] »

ImTalking wrote: post #45

It's so easy to see the outcome of these policies. Intolerance begats intolerance begats violence. There can be no other outcome other than an increase in violence, both domestic and international. And what will Trump do when the violence increases? He will whip the masses up with frenzied speeches and double-down on the executive orders to limit immigration. But the violence will not abate but will worsen. So finall…

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by warbiscuit »

mertd wrote: post #127
warbiscuit wrote: post #38

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What makes Donald Trump's action so sickenly selfish is that a better life is why his grandfather Friedrich Drumpf immigrated from Bavaria. Though one could argue 3 generations later that act of immigration is not benefitting the US.

Let's just spell it out. They were white Christians and therefore are welcome. Statue of Liberty weeps with sorrow.

Actually, per a snopes article (http://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf), the Drumpf to Trump transition may have occurred because the former was more German sounding, and there was a good bit of anti-german hatred at the time.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by 551199 »

grzm wrote: post #172
551199 wrote: post #160

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Yep, US has been bombing and droning many of these countries and people coming in should be taken without any knowledge who they are or what are their intentions? Trump just signed action for 5 year lobbying plan. Looks like he deliver once more. It's shameful HN doesn't flag posts calling Trump and his supporters nazis, homophobic and other names. While any dissident about liberals is flagged/downvoted to oblivion.

It's shameful HN doesn't flag posts calling Trump and his supporters nazis, homophobic and other names. While any dissident about liberals is flagged/downvoted to oblivion. Every group on HN notices things that appear to be against them. It's normal human bias. I've seen plenty of flagging/down-voting going on all sides of various issues. If you legitimately are interested to dig into this more, there are at least tw…

Calling people openly nazis, racist, homophobic and other awful names when it couldn't be further from the truth shouldn't be encouraged on a site that prides itself with respectful conversation.

Altman Time to Take a Stand Post: Search for any of those words https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13507993

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by vinayan3 »

finid wrote: post #165
rgbrenner wrote: post #71

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It may also be illegal: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/trumps-immigrat... The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that had structured American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or residents of the U.S. http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/1965_immigration... Ex…

So what are the Democrats doing about this. The silence from that group is deafening.

Chuck Schumer made a statement yesterday. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schumer-tears-are-running-...

Media might not be covering their response more? But, I don't know what they could do in Congress.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by vacri »

hesdeadjim wrote: post #10
kome wrote: post #6

America, what you have done? Good luck with this petition! Let's fight for an open world.

It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. The rest of us feel like prisoners in our own country when faced with this kind of complete and utter insanity.

Talk to your representatives at all levels. You get much more bang for your buck than complaining online.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tptacek »

WildUtah wrote: post #191
tptacek wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the actual facts seem so starkly in opposition to 'WildUtah's point, I'd be really interested in seeing what evidence he expected to use to support his argument --- if only to see whether I'm misunderstanding his point.

How that poll is taken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkTwY6aalg

I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Which specific poll are you referring to and what specific problem do you have with its methodology? What poll more accurately describes public opinion, or is public opinion on this subject either "unknowable" or in some other way clear?

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Post by scrollaway »

waqf wrote: post #186
scrollaway wrote: post #149

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Three things: 1. It's not what "half of you wanted". It's what a portion of the portion of those that voted in a 55% turnout election wanted. A tiny and vindictive portion, that lost the popular vote. 2. Even if it were what "half of you wanted", it's also what half of you did not want. This is not a kid's game where you count up the points and call the clear winner. If half of your population's will is being disrega…

> If half of your population's will is being disregarded and worked against, there is a problem . Then it seems to me there has been a problem in the US for many years now. (Good news everyone! There's now a problem in the UK, too!)

I don't think you'll find many people arguing against that. It's one of the main reasons why Trump won.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by baddox »

becarefulyo wrote: post #122
654869435418647 wrote: post #115

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Roughly half. The point is still valid and it's important not to disregard the momentum of that segment of the country

Nazism should be swiftly kicked in the ass whenever it rears itself. This is naked white supremacism. For as much bullshit as we've heard about political correctness, why not just come out and say this is straight up religious and racial discrimination?

The trouble is that you can't convince someone that their own beliefs or policies they support are racial or religious discrimination. People can and do support these policies, and they can and do insist that the reasons for them are genuine concern for America's safety.
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