NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

Post by lyqwyd » Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 1:36 AM UTC

wtbob wrote: post #59

datamoshr wrote: post #8

The thing that bothers me most about this as a European is; I have zero say in this, in the US you can strike out against surveillance, you can write to senators, protest against terrible legislation. Actually have a voice, however faint it is. Whereas I don't get a say but the exact same treatment from your country. The Five Eyes have made me paranoid and the only escape seems to be downgrading your phone to a brick…

Your government is free to negotiate whatever treaties are acceptable under its laws and the U.S. Constitution; you have whatever voice in your own government that your laws give you. It makes literally no sense to me that a government would have any more concern for another government's citizen than that other government has incentivised it to.

Post by brokenmachine » Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 5:47 AM UTC

bnastic wrote: post #186

advisedwang wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if each (lat,lon,cell#,imei) record takes, say, 500 bytes and they take a measurement every minute, 27TB is enough to record every American for 4 months. That's pretty hefty surveillance even if the raw size doesn't impress.

I don't dispute that, but instead the tone of the article that makes it sound as if it's such a huge quantity of data that NSA is struggling (or was struggling) to capture it all.

Post by coroutines » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 9:11 AM UTC

talmand wrote: post #157

Mtinie wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hesitant to consider the next presidential election's results as a harbinger of the state of politics during the 2020 or 2024 races. The Baby Boomer generation's influence is waning and I'm optimistic that the next generations who did not grow up in a period of extreme mutual distrust like we saw post-WW2 and during the Cold War will be better suited to lead. It's going to take us, as a global group of people on…

That sounds nice. It won't happen, but it sounds nice. Every generation has felt they could do things better than the previous (old people shouldn't be allowed to vote has been stated lately), until they learn what it was the previous generation had to deal with. The mutual distrust among certain parties do go away after time, look at all the countries that were at war in WW2 that are now allies. But there is always…