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C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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post #92

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That means you can process more requests at once (across several threads/cores), but per request timings will be slower because each core is slower than the cores on the competitions CPUs.

Can confirm. Dual core Atom loading bare Wordpress is a nightmare without caching, and still barely acceptable with caching.

I found the issue. Wordpress.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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unlimited bandwidth. Is that for real? 300 Mbits. Let's assume you can pump out 100 Mbit sustained. That is about 10 MB/s. or 26,000,000 Megabytes/month. 26,000 GB / month. AWS & google cloud are about $.10/GB. That'd cost 2600 USD to serve. Scaleway claims that'd cost just 12 euro. For realz?

The main reason is vendor lockin. As long as you stay within AWS you will pay barely anything but if you want to use both AWS and Google Cloud then it will start getting expensive.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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I'm happy to run any benchmarks people like (within reason). I can also compare to most AWS instances if you like.

Please run nbench [1]. I ran it on the C1 in April 2015 and got the following results: CPU : 4 CPU L2 Cache : OS : Linux 3.2.34-29 C compiler : gcc version 4.8.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.2-19ubuntu1) libc : libc-2.19.so MEMORY INDEX : 5.859 INTEGER INDEX : 8.164 FLOATING-POINT INDEX: 5.770 For comparison, here are an Intel Atom N450, a Core 2 Duo L7500 and a Raspberry Pi 1 Model B: CPU : Dual GenuineIntel Intel(R) Atom(TM)…

Wow, that's really low. I have a low power server at home that must be 6 years old at this point with higher numbers:

    ==============================LINUX DATA BELOW===============================
    CPU                 : CentaurHauls VIA Nano processor U2500@1200MHz 1200MHz
    L2 Cache            : 1024 KB
    OS                  : Linux 4.1.12-gentoo
    C compiler          : x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
    libc                :
    MEMORY INDEX        : 7.263
    INTEGER INDEX       : 7.365
    FLOATING-POINT INDEX: 9.665
    Baseline (LINUX)    : AMD K6/233*, 512 KB L2-cache, gcc 2.7.2.3, libc-5.4.38

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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post #156

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> They each appear to be bare metal, and not virtualized How can you tell?

This can usually be determined heuristically: * loaded drivers may be named after the virtualization platform (VMware) * CPUs can be reported as "Virtual" in /proc/cpuinfo * Special files in /proc (for instance "vz" for OVZ) * Kernel name * etc.

Yes and VMware provides an additional method with the "hypervisor port":

https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?langu...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10843206

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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This is helpful but you're not mentioning what instance type at EC2.. t2 and t1 instances do heavy throttling after you use up your CPU credits[1] so it's likely that you were just using all or most of a full Xeon CPU. I got similar results on even a t2.nano.. until I used up the CPU credits. Then it slowed to a crawl! Also keep in mind that nbench only tests a single CPU[2]. Apples to apples would probably be a smal…

If nbench only uses 1 core, yes, my comparison is wrong. Is there a similar benchmarking linux tool that can use many cores? edit: instance is a t2.micro

> Is there a similar benchmarking linux tool that can use many cores?

There is kcbench:

http://linux.die.net/man/1/kcbench

It compiles a kernel.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

#196
post #190

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Not based on SuperMicro MicroBlades, home R&D design : https://twitter.com/scaleway/status/707617919434412034

Are you sure ?

I'm not sure why I'm replying to what look like sockpuppets, but that photo looks nothing like Supermicro equipment. (Of course, "100% designed by our R&D teams" can mean "we sent the ODM a Powerpoint with some diagrams in it".)

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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unlimited bandwidth. Is that for real? 300 Mbits. Let's assume you can pump out 100 Mbit sustained. That is about 10 MB/s. or 26,000,000 Megabytes/month. 26,000 GB / month. AWS & google cloud are about $.10/GB. That'd cost 2600 USD to serve. Scaleway claims that'd cost just 12 euro. For realz?

Yes, AWS is insanely expensive.

I have a quad core i7, 64 GB RAM, 3 x 4TB hard drives, and a 1 Gbps pipe with OVH for around $100/mo. Unfortunately it is not in the US. The closest they have is near Montreal. They are expanding to the West Coast though I hear.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

#198
post #104

I've been very pleased with http://packet.net and their typo 0 server. It's bare metal, but much more performant than here. They have an amazing network, it's by the hour, and it's Also they're based in the US, so less latency for those of us with primary customer bases here. We use them at DNSFilter in NYC as part of our anycast network, for the last two months. Looking forward to their San Jose and Amsterdam datace…

If you need something US side, one of my ventures, microservers.io offers C2750 using Supermicro MicroBlades starting at $25/mo (with coupon code LAUNCH) out of Seattle. Includes full KVM over IP access so you can install any OS you like. Most popular distros are available via local samba.

We soft launched over a year ago and have a number of hosting industry insiders for customers, but are still working on the main, public facing website (domain just goes directly to an ordering page) as well as automation on the back end for near-instant provisioning. We'll be doing our official launch after that.

$0.05/GB may be cheaper than Amazon, but is rather expensive for bandwidth these days (would work out to approximately $10/Mb 95th percentile using a 200GB:1Mbps conversion ratio). With us, 2TB of bandwidth is included, and additional bandwidth is $0.002/GB or $0.40/Mb using a GTT/Tinet, Hurricane Electric, and Cogent bandwidth blend provided by my main hosting company's secondary/value network (AS63213).

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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Just to put it into perspective, both Azure and AWS don't allow KVM access at all, at any price, period. If your VM doesn't boot then only THEIR support can restore it (and both of their support is expensive).

Is it even possible to have a KVM for a VM? Don't you need it to be bare metal for that? In which case, it would make sense why neither AWS nor Azure offer it, since they don't offer bare metal hosting.

Yes, a number of VPS providers offer it. Well not precisely KVM, since that's for bare-metal machines, but a similar kind of console access. For example https://prgmr.com/ does.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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post #135

Their support isn't great, and they're only in Canada and EU, but Kimsufi[1] is my goto for beefy but cheap dedicated servers. Their cheapest offering is $5/month for an Atom, 2G RAM, and 500G harddrive. But where the value really lies is a step up to about $25 where you start getting non-Atom processors, 16+G of RAM, and 1+TB harddrives. Also free bandwidth. It's a real dedicated server so you can install whatever o…

"only in Canada and EU". Some regard that as a feature :)
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