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Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by yarou »

sandofsky wrote: post #184
sqldba wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious what you think the response should be.

If the person is toxic, and nothing will change that, get rid of them before any more damage is done. I could argue that even if they're 10x more productive, they will drive off far more than 10 contributors. But really you do it because it's the right thing to do.

The ultimate and delicious irony of your comment is that you endorse a behavior that is in and of itself toxic -- publicly crucifying somebody because you don't agree with their beliefs.

This line of thinking is not only dangerous, it's downright disgusting.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by caseysoftware »

xwkd wrote: post #178
sandofsky wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A litmus test of a great community is how they deal with people who are technically useful but socially reprehensible.

Making a political donation toward a popular opinion (7 million people agreed with Eich) means that you are socially reprehensible? I disagree with him, but I would not let a dissenting opinion on a single controversial political subject lead me to conclude that a person is "reprehensible" in any way.

Just before Eich's donation, Obama was against gay marriage too and even said marriage was not a civil right:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/timeline-of-oba...

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by tbrooks »

sandofsky wrote: post #170
wildmusings wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just be careful if you don't share their political views. They just might go digging through everything you've ever said and every cause you've ever donated to and start a witch hunt. Even if you invented Javascript.

A litmus test of a great community is how they deal with people who are technically useful but socially reprehensible.

It's only "socially reprehensible" because you're holding the pen that draws the line.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by sandofsky »

caseysoftware wrote: post #192
xwkd wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making a political donation toward a popular opinion (7 million people agreed with Eich) means that you are socially reprehensible? I disagree with him, but I would not let a dissenting opinion on a single controversial political subject lead me to conclude that a person is "reprehensible" in any way.

Just before Eich's donation, Obama was against gay marriage too and even said marriage was not a civil right: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/timeline-of-oba...

The difference is that Eich never actually apologized, or said his opinion changed. It was always, "Don't worry, Mozilla will be fine!" He argued that accepting bigotry is a form of inclusion. So, all signs point to him remaining a bigot.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by harlowja »

I'm biased, but I'll say some stuff I work on and stuff that is general integrated into the openstack (and greater python) ecosystem(s) (each project in openstack IMHO has its own culture, so you may need to explore to find a match for you).

http://docs.openstack.org/developer/taskflow/

http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tooz/

Any of the other libraries on:

https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo

We (myself and the rest of the oslo team) try to be friendly folks so feel free to drop by on freenode at the #openstack-oslo channel.

Other openstack projects:

http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/index.htm...

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by sandofsky »

yarou wrote: post #191
sandofsky wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the person is toxic, and nothing will change that, get rid of them before any more damage is done. I could argue that even if they're 10x more productive, they will drive off far more than 10 contributors. But really you do it because it's the right thing to do.

The ultimate and delicious irony of your comment is that you endorse a behavior that is in and of itself toxic -- publicly crucifying somebody because you don't agree with their beliefs. This line of thinking is not only dangerous, it's downright disgusting.

So, would you accept a known racist in your community?

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

#197

Post by robbrown451 »

yarou wrote: post #191
sandofsky wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the person is toxic, and nothing will change that, get rid of them before any more damage is done. I could argue that even if they're 10x more productive, they will drive off far more than 10 contributors. But really you do it because it's the right thing to do.

The ultimate and delicious irony of your comment is that you endorse a behavior that is in and of itself toxic -- publicly crucifying somebody because you don't agree with their beliefs. This line of thinking is not only dangerous, it's downright disgusting.

I see what you did there.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by mohit »

Apache Mesos and it's ecosystem (Apache Aurora, Marathon, Apache Myriad, Chronos etc.) has been the most kind, supportive and talented ecosystem of open-source projects.

It's a community of individuals who are very talented, patient, helpful and inviting.

Disclaimer: I work at Mesosphere, and one of the co-founders of Apache Myriad.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by yarou »

sandofsky wrote: post #196
yarou wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ultimate and delicious irony of your comment is that you endorse a behavior that is in and of itself toxic -- publicly crucifying somebody because you don't agree with their beliefs. This line of thinking is not only dangerous, it's downright disgusting.

So, would you accept a known racist in your community?

I would accept a demon that worked, rather than an angel that spoke.

A person's beliefs have nothing to do with the quality of their work.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by Frondo »

yarou wrote: post #191
sandofsky wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the person is toxic, and nothing will change that, get rid of them before any more damage is done. I could argue that even if they're 10x more productive, they will drive off far more than 10 contributors. But really you do it because it's the right thing to do.

The ultimate and delicious irony of your comment is that you endorse a behavior that is in and of itself toxic -- publicly crucifying somebody because you don't agree with their beliefs. This line of thinking is not only dangerous, it's downright disgusting.

The flip side, which you seem to endorse, is that people should have no way to censure (in the realm of public discourse or social opinion, not any legal sense) those whose views they don't agree with.

Obviously, Eich had some widely unpopular views, and much of the country didn't agree with his beliefs.

No one sued him, no one jailed him, people who didn't agree with him on a widely-debated social issue of the day just created a media campaign to draw attention to his retrograde views.

I'm curious, though. If he were donating to a more offensive cause, like the KKK or something, would you hold the same position that his political views should be beyond discussion?

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