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Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales

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I'd have to imagine that the number of jobs created at a Tesla franchise wouldn't dramatically exceed the number of jobs created at a Tesla direct showroom...

Wouldn't they need mechanics and financial people, and not just showroom/dealer people?

I'm pretty sure Tesla has service centers that employ mechanics.

Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales

#182
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>This is great news. It is! > People often forget that dealerships often abuse their power and take advantage of consumers. I doubt many people forget that. Car salesmen have some of the worst reputations of any profession in the US. Purchasing a car can be nerve-wracking. The research I felt compelled to do beforehand felt like I was preparing myself for battle, because I knew the incentives were diametrically oppos…

If you are buying a new run of the mill car and are not picky about colors/options, you are basically buying a commodity - every new car of the given make and model is just like the next. If you also happen to live in the U.S. near a metro area, chances are that there are a ton of dealerships nearby willing to compete to get their high-value inventory off the lot. You can turn the tables around quite easily and stres…

This is how I've bought my last two cars and I'm generally a huge fan. One question for you, though: Why do you exclude tax, title, and tags? My understanding was that "out the door" price included everything required to get the vehicle on the road. Especially tax - can a dealer even legally sell a car without collecting sales/excise tax?

Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales

#184
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The best way to buy cars is option out exactly what you want and get the invoice price. Personally I've used carsdirect. Now with invoice price in mind, send emails to all dealers in your area. Simply explain you want X car @ X price and that you are emailing many dealers and will move forward with the dealer that has the best deal. Its important that you compare cars across dealers by the difference from invoice pri…

You're missing a huge part. Get an insurance quote for what it will run you every 6 months. You can also get a tag, title and tax quote as well. Also 200-300 for DMV is for a $2000 car in CA or a $6000 car in OK. $200-300 sounds extraordinarily low based on my purchases in both the midwest (MO, TX, OK) and west coast (CA 10%+).

When you buy from a dealership, you pay the taxes to them. If you are buying a used car from another person, you pay the taxes at the DMV.

The $200-300 is just registration + any fees.

Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales

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I thought maybe this had changed, since Tesla's "Find Us" map has a "Coming Soon" service center in Albuquerque. Upon further research, it looks like that's just an expression of desire and optimism on Tesla's part, and they're still not actually legally permitted to build one.

Nope. That "coming soon" is wrapped in an Elon-style reality distortion field and should be interpreted as "we intend to have one there one day." What they don't tell you is they cannot open it. And that there is NO WAY it is opening soon. How do I know? Well, I contacted the Governor of New Mexico's office, and I contacted the Global VP of Sales/Service at Tesla. That got me a call from a Tesla regional manager who…

All it would take is a major aerospace company to come to the state with engineers who drive Tesla cars and the law could change relatively quickly.

SpaceX haven't expanded significantly in NM, and this might partly be the reason.

Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales

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If you are not price sensitive, it's very easy to have an excellent buying experience.

Yes if you are not concerned with wasting money, it's very easy to not care who takes your money.

I assume his point is that makes car buying stressful for a lot of people is the negotiation thing. If you're willing to dispense with that--which can indeed save money in many circumstances--then it will indeed be less stressful. And, at the margins, that's not even an irrational decision.

Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales

#187
post #163

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Most people can't afford a Tesla... so thats a moot point.

I disagree. It's an existence proof that there is a better way, and demonstrates that dealers are blocking our ability to access that better way. Not long ago, one could have argued that the dealership model was the best you could do. Now it's impossible to argue that, since the best car-buying experience out there doesn't involve dealers.

Thanks for the downvote I guess? I said it was a moot point because you said just go buy a Tesla! Which most people can't afford or want to spend on a car.

I'm not in love with the dealership model but its not a choice for 99% of buyers.

Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales

#188
post #18

This is great news. People often forget that dealerships often abuse their power and take advantage of consumers. This is especially true since purchasing a car is a large purchase with information asymmetry (although new resources have made this less true). It's especially appalling how dealerships often discriminate on race and gender [0] I am disappointed that this move only applies to zero-emission vehicles but h…

Funny how they way they abused their power was by getting a law passed.

Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales

#189
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I disagree. It's an existence proof that there is a better way, and demonstrates that dealers are blocking our ability to access that better way. Not long ago, one could have argued that the dealership model was the best you could do. Now it's impossible to argue that, since the best car-buying experience out there doesn't involve dealers.

Thanks for the downvote I guess? I said it was a moot point because you said just go buy a Tesla! Which most people can't afford or want to spend on a car. I'm not in love with the dealership model but its not a choice for 99% of buyers.

I have no idea who downvoted you, but just for the record, on HN, it's not possible to downvote any post that is a reply to you.

Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales

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Maybe we could create a law that makes harming others with machine guns illegal...

So obvious right? Well, we already have laws that make the possession of heroin illegal. They are broken all the time. With regards to the original point about silly laws that prevent us from spending our money and free time in ways that don't harm others, if person A is walking down the street and person B illegally uses heroin on the same street, person A is not likely to be harmed. You can't really say the same ab…

You have established that person B is not going to follow the law in any case. So if there is a law in place preventing person B from possessing a machine gun, person B is still going to acquire a machine gun and use it illegally and person A is still harmed.

You haven't solved the problem by moving the solution further up the chain, but you have prevented responsible, law-abiding folks from acquiring a machine gun.

Laws against possession of heroin and laws against possession of fire arms work the same way with a lot of the same externalities. So it is odd that you would point to the failure of one to advocate for the other.

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