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Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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I'm glad that this is gonna be so close to the Bluffdale, UT NSA data center. Now they wont even have to build too much of their own cable to listen in on every single packet!

This is an important point that will be ignored. But who cares since we can to sign into our facebooks with fiber internet, right?

The NSA is cracking your SSL encrypted Facebook session so they can read about what your friends had for breakfast. Right.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Rochester, NY has a municipal fiber network running through its sewers, and Verizon is absent from the city. In the past before Kansas City, Rochester and county were vying for Google to come to town. With a favorable environment and a supportive government I'm hoping we'll be next. http://www.monroecounty.gov/google-map

So that's a municipal line running through the subway? I never knew that.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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You've got it good. Here in Santa Cruz California at the southern end of Silicon Valley, I pay $70/month for a whopping 6mbit (ADSL). This is via a reseller of everyone's darling Sonic. They helpfully include "free" phone service I have no use for, which is then responsible for a not free $10 of that bill, $7 of which goes to Sonic for providing the "free" phone service.

Who is the reseller?

As bronson said, it is indeed Cruzio. There was 26 hour outage yesterday due to a fibre cut in SV. It didn't affect people on Cruzio's DSL service but did affect those of us on the resold Sonic Fusion service.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/capitola/ci_23040335/at-t-c...

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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How could it? Google would own the infrastructure in the city making competition extremely difficult. New monopolist, same as the old monopolist.

Provo actually already has a fairly significant fiber rollout from multiple failed local and municipal coalitions to bring 100Mbps+ residential connections to the area. I believe these lines are owned by the city, and that Google plans on utilizing the extant network as far as possible. It is pretty likely that this won't be the typical municipal telecom monopoly that we've seen to attract cable providers and the lik…

The point is that the lines will no longer be owned by the city.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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How could it? Google would own the infrastructure in the city making competition extremely difficult. New monopolist, same as the old monopolist.

Except that the "new monopolist" is currently thrashing the "old monopolist". It's almost like they are having to... compete. Also, they bought out a municipal fiber outfit. They're not kicking competitors out. They're just completely outclassing them.

The problem is that when a company owns the last mile it has a natural monopoly. An incumbent being overthrown isn't the same as having long lasting competition.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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I imagine that Google will be working its way north, up through Orem and Bluffdale where the NSA, Adobe, and a number of other large tech companies are. There are some SLC suburbs up north that are running failed fiber networks, too, so I imagine they'll eventually fill in the Salt Lake area. I'm surprised about Utah, even with the existing fiber. The population density in most of the valley is really low, and the in…

Maybe there's a sidepoint to it - that it really isn't as expensive to build the last mile as telecoms have been claiming.

I'd not be surprised. They've also been claiming that I don't actually have a use for faster internet.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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It is a really bad deal because it eliminates municipal ownership of the infrastructure that would facilitate competition. Instead they are installing a new monopolist which will only seem to improve things in the short term.

There are still other ISPs in the area that will be competing. The change will be from a bankrupt fiber provider that the city cannot afford to a well-funded provider undergoing network enhancements and expansion. Stop complaining.

Presumably those competitors won't have access to fiber to the home. Besides the fact that it doesn't make sense to roll out separate fiber for each provider it is clear that municipal owned fiber would decrease barriers to entry and therefore increase competition. You simply cannot expect good outcomes in situations of monopoly/oligopoly regardless of who the monopolists are.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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This is an important point that will be ignored. But who cares since we can to sign into our facebooks with fiber internet, right?

The NSA is cracking your SSL encrypted Facebook session so they can read about what your friends had for breakfast. Right.

Oh yes, precisely my point rolls eyes. Since you seem to be aware of the NSA's intentions, aside from your sarcasm, perhaps you could explain the purpose of this data center: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

Just because you're not paying attention doesn't mean shady things aren't happening.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Downtown Boston. Please. I'm paying $1,500/m for a 50x50mbps primary and $350/m for a 100x10mbps backup. The alterative is DSL from version at 1Mbps peak, or a T1 - 1.5mbps for $500/m. We need something new in this old city of copper.

That's just obscene! It has to be price gouging, plain and simple.

How can any provider justify charging such an outrageous amount for mid-range copper? I'm surprised Boston, being as metro as it is, still doesn't have enough competition for lower prices. Then again, New York isn't all that much cheaper for T1, but FiOS is more acceptable.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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I think one of the things I'm most excited for is canceling my absurd Comcast agreement.

Yep. I pay 60 bucks a month for 40 Mbps, and Google offers 1 Gbps for 70 bucks a month. I pay almost the same price for 4% the speed (not to mention horrible customer service).

I pay $75 a month for 500gb of data and a 20mb cable connection here in Australia... The Government is rolling out a whopping 100mbps network which is due for completion in 2025... One can only dream that Google would try and implement something like Google Fiber in Australia but the limited capacity of undersea cables probably means it won't happen for another 100 years.
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