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Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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It is a really bad deal because it eliminates municipal ownership of the infrastructure that would facilitate competition. Instead they are installing a new monopolist which will only seem to improve things in the short term.

There are still other ISPs in the area that will be competing. The change will be from a bankrupt fiber provider that the city cannot afford to a well-funded provider undergoing network enhancements and expansion. Stop complaining.

I'm actually somewhat against the purchase of a municipal line. I think the cities should be running the fiber. This feels like a move in the wrong direction. The problem is there arn't enough noisy people who know to ask for it.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Yep. I pay 60 bucks a month for 40 Mbps, and Google offers 1 Gbps for 70 bucks a month. I pay almost the same price for 4% the speed (not to mention horrible customer service).

You're lucky. I have to pay comcast $70/month for 12mbps

I just called comcast and got them to drop me to $50 and upgrade me to 50mbps. I was really going to quit until they did that

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Yep. I pay 60 bucks a month for 40 Mbps, and Google offers 1 Gbps for 70 bucks a month. I pay almost the same price for 4% the speed (not to mention horrible customer service).

You're well off. Here in Ontario, I pay ~$75 a month (after taxes & extra fees) for 25mbit. I would kill for $60 40mbit service.

You've got it good. Here in Santa Cruz California at the southern end of Silicon Valley, I pay $70/month for a whopping 6mbit (ADSL). This is via a reseller of everyone's darling Sonic. They helpfully include "free" phone service I have no use for, which is then responsible for a not free $10 of that bill, $7 of which goes to Sonic for providing the "free" phone service.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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It seems fact at this point :( http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/google-nsa-secrecy-...

TL;DR: trash-talking Google's record doesn't seem fair to me. Here are some things that are public knowledge: 1) Google considers some kind of network traffic to be attacks (obviously). Google claims (and no one doubts) that in some cases Google reports these attacks to law enforcement authorities, and to other companies believed to be affected. The main example of this that I'm aware of is Operation Aurora (see http…

I'm the one who claimed they seem to have "allyed themselves with the surveillance state," so I guess I'm really the one you're responding to. I wouldn't consider that to be trash talking, exactly, but I don't mind you saying that.

I actually don't know many of the facts on the ground, as you do. I mean, you can cite evidence and provide links, and I can't.

What I do know is that Google is a humongous red target painted on it that is screaming, "I have a huge proportion of all global email and lots of other kind of data! Governments and other malicious actors, come and get it if you can!"

So, I think it's absolutely insane that so many of us trust Google with so much. I think we should all be encrypting everything as a matter of principle and policy, and I don't think we should all be using Google so much.

I mean, how much of China's annual budget is devoted just to hacking Google via technical and social engineering means? Tens of millions of USD? That sounds very reasonable. That's what I'd be doing if I were on their side and had authority.

Also, it's worth noting that individual rights are no longer considered absolutes in the US, and our legal system is currently in a trend of slow erosion. So, eventually, the government authorities are probably going to be able to demand whatever they want of Google. They possibly already have ways of doing this.

As an aside, I don't begrudge you for working there. In fact, once I'm on the job market, I may even try to get a job there (not sure if they'd still have me, though, since I make the above point not infrequently).

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Wish this had happened a year ago; it's not entirely clear what the effect will be on me and everyone else who already has a service contract on the iProvo network. I suppose if Google is upgrading the network, though, that can only be good.

If they (Google) are purchasing the whole iProvo network, then I would think they could also undo the service contracts so you could sign up for their normal services? Or, maybe you mean that you have a contract to work on the network—like a technician or something?

Found it: http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/provo/what-goo...

"Veracity customers' accounts will be transferred to Google Fiber automatically."

Of course, that's still a very vague statement; there's a lot of fiddly details to ask about (like, does the contract actually get changed so I'm not paying a bill every month anymore), but I am encouraged.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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You're well off. Here in Ontario, I pay ~$75 a month (after taxes & extra fees) for 25mbit. I would kill for $60 40mbit service.

You've got it good. Here in Santa Cruz California at the southern end of Silicon Valley, I pay $70/month for a whopping 6mbit (ADSL). This is via a reseller of everyone's darling Sonic. They helpfully include "free" phone service I have no use for, which is then responsible for a not free $10 of that bill, $7 of which goes to Sonic for providing the "free" phone service.

Who is the reseller?

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

TL;DR: trash-talking Google's record doesn't seem fair to me. Here are some things that are public knowledge: 1) Google considers some kind of network traffic to be attacks (obviously). Google claims (and no one doubts) that in some cases Google reports these attacks to law enforcement authorities, and to other companies believed to be affected. The main example of this that I'm aware of is Operation Aurora (see http…

I was more trashing the NSA's record because they ARE doing sinister shit. We just don't know 100% if Google is being forced to play along. I'd say it's really naive to think there would be public 'evidence' in the first place. You say it's unfair but I say it's critical thinking. Given the circumstance and the history, I'd say it's completely fair. Either way it's terrifying, wouldn't you agree?

I agree with almost all of this comment of yours (contrasted with the previous one). The NSA should be assumed to be invasive, we don't know how much Google is being forced to play along, there would be little or no public evidence. And critical thinking is good, especially given the circumstances and history.

Your previous comment said that "the likely thesis that Google has decided to ally itself with the US surveillance state" was "seem[ingly] fact at this point". That's a completely different statement, and I strongly disagree with it; I do not think that is Google's decision or allegiance, nor that it's established fact. I think the parent to your comment accused Google of malfeasance, and I think that is neither critical thinking nor fair.

Either way, I'm not personally terrified, but I do think it's worth awareness and resistance, on principle.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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You're well off. Here in Ontario, I pay ~$75 a month (after taxes & extra fees) for 25mbit. I would kill for $60 40mbit service.

Have you looked at Teksavvy? They sell a cable package in Ontario that gives you 60 mbits for a bit over 60$ (more after tax and all that)... You can get pretty decent download caps with them (it starts at 75 gigs/month, but I have upgraded to 300 gigs/month for a bit more. they also have an unlimited option).

Different areas have different packages, or at least differing availability. The best package available in my area is 28mbps and unlimited bandwidth for $62/month.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Good god I hope these announcements light a fire under the butts of the other US providers.

I think one of the things I'm most excited for is canceling my absurd Comcast agreement.

I'm not sure that speed would be enough to want me to go with Google, but I'm paranoid that way. I'd welcome the competition and the presumed price drop at Comcast. It's fast enough for me.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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This is definitely one of those situations where when the big telcos heard about Kansas - they were prolly thinking..."meh...who cares about Kansas". But it feels like every few weeks, Google makes a new announcement. This is definitely going to shake-up the entire ISP market in the US. I am happy for you guys - I no longer live there, but when I did RoadRunner wasn't TOOO bad. I guess Comcast is the biggest offender…

http://kansascityisinmissouri.com/
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