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Re: Elevated error rate across multiple models

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What about better ideas like installing from source, or using a package manager? Or even flatpaks.

From source: creates much more work for the user. Package managers: ecosystem is fragmented, requiring a long list of distro- and package-manager-specific instructions. Many scripts already install through package managers, they simply make the user’s life easier. Flatpaks: These are clearly designed for desktop applications, with CLIs treated as an afterthought. They may be the best long-term hope, but today they ar…

Bullshit.

There's plenty of big projects that don't suggest you curl a script right into your shell.

If you have curl, you're probably on Linux. Just use the package manager like an adult.

Re: Elevated error rate across multiple models

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But it is like that. You have zero insight into the infrastructure issue. And the person quoted above is a Claude Code developer. So because this guy uses Claude generously to build Claude Code, then Anthropic's API scaling issues must necessarily be caused by his agent loops even though scaling issues plague every tech company, no less often pre-AI. The issue is that it's a thought-terminating cliche, and it would b…

Engineering practices or best practices are much more than writing code. So not sure what we are debating here: I see first hand companies jumping full on using LLM for _everything_ for the last 6 months (of course Anthropic longer) and without guardrails and good engineering practices the number of incidents, downtime is increasing. Look at status.claude.com - Anthropic could at any point come out and say all those…

> Anthropic could at any point come out and say all those are due to third party providers.

Why can't it be simply the case that Anthropic is struggling by their own accord? Infra scaling isn't a solved problem, much less with new, complicated, ever-changing, stateful LLM requests.

Pretty much every API-service-centric company I've worked at was in some constant state of either triaging or thinking about infrastructure health, often due to the familiar cascading problems of a necessarily distributed system.

But now with the AI scapegoat, we rewrite history to pretend us humans solved infra scaling, so any issues today must be caused by AI and any related superstitions we want to tack on.

Re: Elevated error rate across multiple models

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I have been developing software since the late 80s, mostly CAM software for metal cutting machines, and I have been refereeing tabletop roleplaying games like Dungeons & Dragons since the late 70s. I get the power of LLMs, and I do find them useful. But I find them useful in much the same way I find a really good set of random tables useful, or a good set of rules for procedurally generating something like a star sec…

I think we need to disqualify humans as well. Their brains have been shown to operate on probabilistic chemical interactions and even quantum effects.

Re: Elevated error rate across multiple models

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Is pi better than opencode?

They are different models. OpenCode is trying to be a claude code/codex replacement, where-as pi is something you build yourself, kind of trying to be an emacs type thing compared to vs-code. As in emacs it is more common to write your own extensions, where as in vs-code most people just download them.

I keep butting into the question of; why opencode, when you've got codex available? Codex is open source as well, and i can't seem to picture a situation where one would want Opencode over Codex.

As far as I can tell, they tick the same boxes- but one has the support of a big boy model provider.

Re: Elevated error rate across multiple models

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I don’t prompt Claude anymore. I have loops running that prompt Claude and figuring out what to do. My job is to write loops. — Boris Cherny, head of Claude Code Reliability is a direct reflection of the quality of the underlying infrastructural code. If even Anthropic, the company with the world's best agentic vibecoders, has horribly unreliable infrastructure, it really says something about the quality of the world…

Meh, this is the "must be the veganism" fallacy: if someone knows you're vegan, then any ailment you might have, no matter how ubiquitous in the population, must be somehow due to your vegan diet and no more details are required. Except now it's the "AI did it" fallacy where if you know a company uses AI, even infra scaling issues must be due to AI, and if you had just used less or no AI, you would have been spared e…

If you go around bragging that you use AI for everything as part of your marketing plan, then don't be surprised that people blame you heavy AI usage when you have a problem.

Re: Elevated error rate across multiple models

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I don’t prompt Claude anymore. I have loops running that prompt Claude and figuring out what to do. My job is to write loops. — Boris Cherny, head of Claude Code Reliability is a direct reflection of the quality of the underlying infrastructural code. If even Anthropic, the company with the world's best agentic vibecoders, has horribly unreliable infrastructure, it really says something about the quality of the world…

> If even Anthropic, the company with the world's best agentic vibecoders...

But that's really not what they have. They have AI experts who are creating incredible LLMs.

Everything else is more than meh: Claude Code is really bad. Such a turd would never have gained any traction if it wasn't for the LLMs behind it.

I use LLMs to code daily (Claude Code still, mind you, for I didn't take the time to switch yet) and these modesl are both amazing and pathetic.

If you don't verify everything they output, they do the absolute craziest thing imaginable.

One example is I got an Anthropic model notice a "pattern" in range bound integer values. I had them range bound between, e.g., 0xCAFE0000 and 0xCAFEFFFF. And at some point a comparison/validation was needed and instead of doing an integer comparison the Anthropic model went ballistic: instead of doing an integer comparison it converted the numbers to a string, then started doing substring matching on "0xCAFE" and went even more "expert" by verifying at which position the match was happening. All that while explaining why it couldn't possibly fail.

Why did it do that? Very likely because, in a comment, it saw "0xCAFE..." as a string. And the thing saw a pattern.

Can you believe it? There's a pattern. So it must light up connections. We've got a pattern!

Now amount of kludge, hidden pre-processing, hidden post-processing is fixing the "quality" of the code produced by something that, instead of doing an integer comparison, converts things to string and then does substring searches and indexes computation.

There's no fixing that.

Yesterday: had to use three guard clauses before pushing data... Two of the three "logic gates" (as the model would explain they were, which is kinda right) he got right. The third one: same thing... It was planning to go ballistic, introduce countless lines of code, insane abstractions, to make a test that was solved with a one line timestamp comparison.

It's because it does things like that that the people who explain that they don't code anymore are delusional if they think this gives, as of today, quality code.

It's like that other dude who was happy to produce 37 K LOC per day and counting.

> ... it really says something about the quality of the world's best agentically produced code

Oh it is totally shit code. But if you monitor everything and vet everything they do, it's helpful.

I find these LLMs way more helpful at finding the source of bugs (not fixing them: finding them, which is 90% of the job anyway) and at acting like rubber-ducks then at writing code.

Claude Code sucks. Claude Code CLI sucks. Their only "solutions" to all problems is to create VMs, headless browsers, and resort to incredible hacks (the infamous "game loop" that modifies the characters output by the LLM is just shameful) etc. to try to hide the misery. It's miserable kludges everywhere.

And the only reason these miserable kludges are not entirely falling apart is because they rest on the shoulders of actual giants: projects like Linux, QEMU, etc. that were not vibe-coded.

It's sad to have useful tools (the models) and to make such poor use of them.

I'm pretty sure that, in the end, it's just like open-source powering the entire world by now: we'll have open-source projects like Pi and then newer ones that are going to come out and fix the mess we have now. And they're not going to be 100% vibe-coded by people whose jobs is "to write loops".

Re: Elevated error rate across multiple models

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I don’t prompt Claude anymore. I have loops running that prompt Claude and figuring out what to do. My job is to write loops. — Boris Cherny, head of Claude Code Reliability is a direct reflection of the quality of the underlying infrastructural code. If even Anthropic, the company with the world's best agentic vibecoders, has horribly unreliable infrastructure, it really says something about the quality of the world…

He is a salesman at this point and is not talking to you. He is talking to the investors who want to vibe code loops to waste tokens on building slop to get rid of you.

Goes to show how fake this industry has become when VC dollars have flooded it.

Somehow it is fine to vibe code infrastructure or security because someone (with a clear vested interest) wants you to spend more tokens at their casino because that is how they "win" at the casino (which they work at).

Except in reality, this part of software is critical and irresponsible to 'write loops" and we all know that he doesn't believe what he is saying.

Re: Elevated error rate across multiple models

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Since this keeps happening often enough not to bring up that much new discussion...

Today is the Latvian holiday of Jāņi, to mark the passage of the summer solstice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81%C5%86i

Grab yourselves some beer or beverage of choice and some cheese (we usually have caraway cheese), alongside skewered meat and get some rest!

I mean, what else am I going to do while Claude is down, write code manually, like they did in the 90s or something?

Re: Elevated error rate across multiple models

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I suppose it's a good time to encourage people trying out pi[1] with any cheap model from the openrouter rankings page[1]. [1] https://pi.dev/ [2] https://openrouter.ai/rankings

Is pi better than opencode?

oh-my-pi is a bit of a cross between the two; comes with basically everything OpenCode does, but still easy to customise.

OpenCode is nice if you don't want to do a lot of research and just want to get started right away. The OpenCode Go plan for $5 a month for your first month is a great way to do this, with good models to choose from and reasonable usage limits for a beginner.

Re: Elevated error rate across multiple models

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I have been developing software since the late 80s, mostly CAM software for metal cutting machines, and I have been refereeing tabletop roleplaying games like Dungeons & Dragons since the late 70s. I get the power of LLMs, and I do find them useful. But I find them useful in much the same way I find a really good set of random tables useful, or a good set of rules for procedurally generating something like a star sec…

I think we need to disqualify humans as well. Their brains have been shown to operate on probabilistic chemical interactions and even quantum effects.

That doesn’t disqualify humans. It highlights the difference I am talking about.

Those chemical interactions and quantum effects lead to emergent properties like judgment, experience, context, accountability, and an understanding of consequences. Those are not properties that LLMs possess, regardless of how useful their output can be.

That is not to say that, in the future, LLMs won’t be used as part of other systems that add some of those properties. But that is not what we have today, or what can be seen in the foreseeable near future.

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