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US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

#181

If Chinese LLMs are successfully making people in the west defend China, then I think we have all the evidence we need to explain why they are giving away their models. The next step of course will be to get people using that ungodly cheap AI on Chinese servers. Which will also be defended because "I would never trust an American Lab".

As a European, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American. Cloud act did it for me.

Same

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

#182

If Chinese LLMs are successfully making people in the west defend China, then I think we have all the evidence we need to explain why they are giving away their models. The next step of course will be to get people using that ungodly cheap AI on Chinese servers. Which will also be defended because "I would never trust an American Lab".

Funny that Europe starts to become China, just without the manufacturing and growth. I can see why people like them.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

#183

If Chinese LLMs are successfully making people in the west defend China, then I think we have all the evidence we need to explain why they are giving away their models. The next step of course will be to get people using that ungodly cheap AI on Chinese servers. Which will also be defended because "I would never trust an American Lab".

As a European, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American. Cloud act did it for me.

As an American, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

#184

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As a European, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American. Cloud act did it for me.

Both China and the US can compel businesses to hand over data. There is no reason to trust any service that doesn't have strong built in privacy.

Yes, but China can't arrest me if they don't like what they see in my data.

USA and its vassals can.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

#186

If Chinese LLMs are successfully making people in the west defend China, then I think we have all the evidence we need to explain why they are giving away their models. The next step of course will be to get people using that ungodly cheap AI on Chinese servers. Which will also be defended because "I would never trust an American Lab".

It’s not like this is a new tactic, china has been very successful at wiping out competition by undercutting them using state subsidies in many sectors of the economy.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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What's the publicly stated/marketing reason for capitalist America to put companies on the Entity List? Genuinely asking. Because to me it screams 'we were only for the free market until there was no competition'

"First published in 1997 to inform the public on entities involved in disseminating weapons of mass destruction, the list has since expanded to include entities that engaged in "activities sanctioned by the State Department and activities contrary to U.S. national security and/or foreign policy interests" So RAM chip makers when there's a RAM shortage must be 'contrary to U.S. national security and/or foreign policy…

Other way around according to what GGP quoted, this would get RAM into the US but not out, reducing prices.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Ever see a tiktok about may 35?

I don't use TikTok, but a cursory search shows that there's a #tiananmensquare tag that has a few thousand videos, including many about the protests and Tank Man. So while I haven't seen a TikTok about it, someone has.

I don't (could be wrong) think other American's seeing content on American TikTok is relevant to China's censorship of what Chinese people see in China

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

#189
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Becoming such a sore loser. Historians will probably look this as the most shameful period of the American empire.

Gonna skip over the chattel slavery and native genocide in future histories?

Yes, because we weren't an empire then. At the time Trump befouled our country, Pax Americana was a thing. We have voluntarily walked back from that position of moral and strategic leadership.

In that regard, history offers few precedents to learn from. Most countries have to be physically attacked to suffer the kind of damage that American voters are inflicting on themselves.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Chinese have a wider outlook on it. Politically they believe AI belongs to humanity, which is why they are basically the only ones left publishing research in the open. That's probably part of their socialist nature. But also a financial one. They believe that models are commodities, that you can swap one for the other and that the only thing that matters are the applications built upon them. So they want to make sur…

> It's quite impressive how the latest years I have found more and more to empathize with China than many of the western counterparts. I'm not sure that this is because China is suddenly a great place or political system so much as a reflection of many western nations speed running to autocracy in the name of manliness.

Yeah, for me it's the latter. Until recent years, it was at least possible to defend the US as having some good principles, despite how imperfectly defended or promoted they may have been. That in turn could make it worth defending. Now, it's just blatantly turned into everything it always stood against.
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