Surely trump deserves the Nobel prize for this deal!
This is not any better than the reply about Obama. The intention of the snark is clear, and does not contribute to useful discourse. Please don't.
US and Iran announce deal to end military operations
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#182Surely trump deserves the Nobel prize for this deal!
So many deals.
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
…plus iran gets $300bn in reconstruction money
Also... The US' limitations in its ability to project power have been exposed. Having American bases in the middle east has been shown to be nothing but a liability for host countries. And Iran has proven that it can withstand anything the US is willing to throw at it, and hit back hard, over a relatively prolonged period. And Iran has shown that its constitution is strong and power succession is effective even after…
Absolutely not. But Trump made two huge mistakes: 1) not imposing the naval blockade from the very start, 2) stopping the military offensive after only roughly a month, when about 50% of the Iranian missile stockpile was still intact. We must resume combat operations, bomb Iran until they are unable to fire back, and use their frozen funds to pay for damages to neighboring countries. It is absurd to offer Iran sanctions relief or "reparations," and makes Trump look incredibly weak.
Other things should also be done in parallel, such as actively hunting down and sinking Iran's "shadow fleet" of vessels, around the world and relentlessly until they are unable to export a single drop of oil by sea. We could also take their bridges and railroads and further deal a huge blow to trade with other nations by land. An invading force isn't needed for any of this.
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It's a war between Israel and the US vs Iran that was literally initiated by the US after a meeting between Trump and Netanyahu. Also Israel is a rogue state that has been committing war crimes including genocide and is engaging in expansionist wars worse at this point than Russia's. It's in everyone's interest that Israel be either stopped or undergo a regime change that abandons Apartheid and creates a multicultura…
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...and then you woke up and realised that Iran never allowed those inspectors to inspect the actually important facilities and started removing inspectors from the country in 2023 under Biden. https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/iaea-director-...
Chronologically wrong. During the time of JCPOA (original, between Iran and the P5+1) inspectors had access to where they wanted to go (sometimes with friction, sure) and were able to place tamper resistant / tamper revealing instrumentation, air filters, and spectrometers - effectively creating a data record that could place a stochastic cap on {enrichment level, volume}. After Trump ripped up that agreement during…
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chronologically wrong. During the time of JCPOA (original, between Iran and the P5+1) inspectors had access to where they wanted to go (sometimes with friction, sure) and were able to place tamper resistant / tamper revealing instrumentation, air filters, and spectrometers - effectively creating a data record that could place a stochastic cap on {enrichment level, volume}. After Trump ripped up that agreement during…
The JCPOA was a huge mistake. Even assuming that it truthfully capped enrichment and prevented the development of an atomic bomb, at the same time it enriched the nation and therefore allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.
It did.
> at the same time it enriched the nation
It returned some of that nations own money.
> allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.
Like Russia, Israel, the UsofA, North Korea, et al ?
Balance of Power is a tricky game.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
The JCPOA was a huge mistake. Even assuming that it truthfully capped enrichment and prevented the development of an atomic bomb, at the same time it enriched the nation and therefore allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.
> Even assuming It did. > at the same time it enriched the nation It returned some of that nations own money. > allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles. Like Russia, Israel, the UsofA, North Korea, et al ? Balance of Power is a tricky game.
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> "conclude that they were not developing nukes." You're misreading your own sources. The 2007 NIE and Gabbard's 2025 testimony both describe a nuclear weapons program that Iran "suspended in 2003". They confirm a nuclear weapons program existed, the opposite of what you're claiming. And you want an official source: the IAEA concluded in May 2025 that Iran ran an "undeclared structured nuclear program" until the earl…
I never swapped claims. We're talking about nuclear weapons and why the US started a war with Iran this year due to this supposed "crisis" (in your words) but there's no evidence that a threat is imminent. The NIEs were just one data point against your claim; the burden is still on you to show who else agrees with the assesment that this is a crisis. > IAEA concluded in May 2025 that Iran ran an "undeclared structure…
Even your own source, the 2025 Annual Threat Assessment report, states: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons."
What's your justification for Iran producing this material, if not for a nuclear weapons program?
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
For the same reasons it temporarily gave it up before?
Under JCPOA, Iran capped its nuclear program for 15 years in exchange for: * Global sanctions relief * $100-150 billion in frozen assets * Access to the global oil market Iran in 2030 under JCPOA already has access to all three. The US already played its best cards to get Iran to agree to JCPOA. The US has little new to offer, other than resumed sanctions.
Not turning the country into a parking lot is a rather generous offer.
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#190Details here: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-d... Key bullets: What Iran gets: * The U.S. agrees to release $25 billion of Iran’s frozen assets, including via direct cash transfers, cooperation among regional countries, and financial credit lines. * Washington, in coordination with its regional allies, would prepare a reconstruction and development plan for Iran, to be negotiated and agree…
And of course all that sweet, sweet reconstruction/redevelopment money is going to go to Trump's buddies.