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US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#181

Surely trump deserves the Nobel prize for this deal!

This is not any better than the reply about Obama. The intention of the snark is clear, and does not contribute to useful discourse. Please don't.

When you fuck up this badly, people are allowed to make fun of you.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#183

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…plus iran gets $300bn in reconstruction money

Also... The US' limitations in its ability to project power have been exposed. Having American bases in the middle east has been shown to be nothing but a liability for host countries. And Iran has proven that it can withstand anything the US is willing to throw at it, and hit back hard, over a relatively prolonged period. And Iran has shown that its constitution is strong and power succession is effective even after…

> And Iran has proven that it can withstand anything the US is willing to throw at it, and hit back hard, over a relatively prolonged period.

Absolutely not. But Trump made two huge mistakes: 1) not imposing the naval blockade from the very start, 2) stopping the military offensive after only roughly a month, when about 50% of the Iranian missile stockpile was still intact. We must resume combat operations, bomb Iran until they are unable to fire back, and use their frozen funds to pay for damages to neighboring countries. It is absurd to offer Iran sanctions relief or "reparations," and makes Trump look incredibly weak.

Other things should also be done in parallel, such as actively hunting down and sinking Iran's "shadow fleet" of vessels, around the world and relentlessly until they are unable to export a single drop of oil by sea. We could also take their bridges and railroads and further deal a huge blow to trade with other nations by land. An invading force isn't needed for any of this.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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It's a war between Israel and the US vs Iran that was literally initiated by the US after a meeting between Trump and Netanyahu. Also Israel is a rogue state that has been committing war crimes including genocide and is engaging in expansionist wars worse at this point than Russia's. It's in everyone's interest that Israel be either stopped or undergo a regime change that abandons Apartheid and creates a multicultura…

After 400 years of Ottoman rule, we the Brits took that region because we won WWI. We gave some to different Arab groups, and some to the Israelis. The muslim religious head of Jerusalem wrote fan mail to Hitler advocating for the Final Solution. The hostility toward Jews had been whipped up for years and the general unwillingness of the neighboring regions to agree to the lines that the UK delegated to the UN is why after we left the region descended into war. The Israelis held on to their land. The Iranian mullahs came along in the 70s and jumped onto the cause because they feed on hate. My father was an advocate of the Iranian regime, because he was a vulnerable conflict survivor with deep psychological issues. But I saw what they were peddling 45 years ago and I heard what they were inculcating in him, through the mullahs that they trained and sent to the UK. They love to stress the idea of Abraham sacrificing his children. These are people that use children in war. They fire their rockets and shoot their guns where their own civilians will get hurt in the counterattack because they are just pawns to them. They sent young boys to the frontlines against the Iraqis and they use human shield tactics against the Israelis. It's a tragedy when innocents die, but against a foe that uses innocents in the propaganda war, only steely resolve and self-preservation will rid this world of the scourge that is these Iranian mullahs.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#185

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...and then you woke up and realised that Iran never allowed those inspectors to inspect the actually important facilities and started removing inspectors from the country in 2023 under Biden. https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/iaea-director-...

Chronologically wrong. During the time of JCPOA (original, between Iran and the P5+1) inspectors had access to where they wanted to go (sometimes with friction, sure) and were able to place tamper resistant / tamper revealing instrumentation, air filters, and spectrometers - effectively creating a data record that could place a stochastic cap on {enrichment level, volume}. After Trump ripped up that agreement during…

The JCPOA was a huge mistake. Even assuming that it truthfully capped enrichment and prevented the development of an atomic bomb, at the same time it enriched the nation and therefore allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#186

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Chronologically wrong. During the time of JCPOA (original, between Iran and the P5+1) inspectors had access to where they wanted to go (sometimes with friction, sure) and were able to place tamper resistant / tamper revealing instrumentation, air filters, and spectrometers - effectively creating a data record that could place a stochastic cap on {enrichment level, volume}. After Trump ripped up that agreement during…

The JCPOA was a huge mistake. Even assuming that it truthfully capped enrichment and prevented the development of an atomic bomb, at the same time it enriched the nation and therefore allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.

> Even assuming

It did.

> at the same time it enriched the nation

It returned some of that nations own money.

> allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.

Like Russia, Israel, the UsofA, North Korea, et al ?

Balance of Power is a tricky game.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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The JCPOA was a huge mistake. Even assuming that it truthfully capped enrichment and prevented the development of an atomic bomb, at the same time it enriched the nation and therefore allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.

> Even assuming It did. > at the same time it enriched the nation It returned some of that nations own money. > allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles. Like Russia, Israel, the UsofA, North Korea, et al ? Balance of Power is a tricky game.

My point is that we should have taken "their" money and used it against them. This is how you deal with enemies.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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> "conclude that they were not developing nukes." You're misreading your own sources. The 2007 NIE and Gabbard's 2025 testimony both describe a nuclear weapons program that Iran "suspended in 2003". They confirm a nuclear weapons program existed, the opposite of what you're claiming. And you want an official source: the IAEA concluded in May 2025 that Iran ran an "undeclared structured nuclear program" until the earl…

I never swapped claims. We're talking about nuclear weapons and why the US started a war with Iran this year due to this supposed "crisis" (in your words) but there's no evidence that a threat is imminent. The NIEs were just one data point against your claim; the burden is still on you to show who else agrees with the assesment that this is a crisis. > IAEA concluded in May 2025 that Iran ran an "undeclared structure…

Name the civilian use for Iran's 440 kg of 60% enriched uranium. There isn't one. No power reactor uses it (those run on 3-5%), no research reactor needs it (~20% max), and it sits 98-99% of the way enriched weapons-grade. Iran has enough fissile material for multiple bombs with under two weeks of further enrichment. There is no civilian use for this material. Iran enriched this material, under a mountain, in violation of IAEA requirements, at a site it hid from IAEA investigators until it got caught lying, while stonewalling compliance investigators for years.

Even your own source, the 2025 Annual Threat Assessment report, states: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons."

What's your justification for Iran producing this material, if not for a nuclear weapons program?

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#189

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For the same reasons it temporarily gave it up before?

Under JCPOA, Iran capped its nuclear program for 15 years in exchange for: * Global sanctions relief * $100-150 billion in frozen assets * Access to the global oil market Iran in 2030 under JCPOA already has access to all three. The US already played its best cards to get Iran to agree to JCPOA. The US has little new to offer, other than resumed sanctions.

> The US has little new to offer, other than resumed sanctions.

Not turning the country into a parking lot is a rather generous offer.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#190
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Details here: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-d... Key bullets: What Iran gets: * The U.S. agrees to release $25 billion of Iran’s frozen assets, including via direct cash transfers, cooperation among regional countries, and financial credit lines. * Washington, in coordination with its regional allies, would prepare a reconstruction and development plan for Iran, to be negotiated and agree…

So basically the US is in a worse position than before the war. Expected, but still dumb and disappointing. (Par for the course for Trump.)

And of course all that sweet, sweet reconstruction/redevelopment money is going to go to Trump's buddies.

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