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A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Look, a lot of people make the mistake you're making. Not every unjust, stupid, or evil thing is illegal. Even when something is illegal, that doesn't mean you have standing to challenge it in court, or that a given court has jurisdiction to do anything about it. Courts (theoretically) follow rules. They can't just randomly set things aside without some basis in those rules. Lawsuits are not a magic universal remedy.…

I mean, ok? Guess the official consensus is all you can do about literally anything that is detrimental to everyone is just sit on your ass and look pretty until it's too late and every asshole who could conceivably benefit from stealing from you is already done. The true american dream.

Well, the assholes currently screwing up the the USA got there by decades of miscellaneous political maneuvers, both fair and foul (most of the fair ones done by an earlier generation), culminating in actually getting elected (basically on a platform of then acting unconstitutionally, because that appealed to enough morons). And the people they replaced also got in through politics.

What they did not do was to sue their way into power. I mean, yes, they used the courts at a few key points, but that wasn't the core of it, and the smart money says they could have done it without, say, Bush v. Gore.

The new court approaches of the 1950s through 1970s were a product of politics way, way more than a driver of it, and so is the present reactionary judicial backlash. In fact, the biggest thing I'd say you could argue was the courts leading, Roe v. Wade, worked for a few decades, but at the same time set up a ton of resentment that was later exploited to help blow up the whole system around it.

And if you go back far enough, you run up against a violent revolution, also not conducted in court. Although even there it's important to remember that revolutions invariably fail if they don't have huge political support first.

So, if you want to actually do something, go elect some politicians who will clean up the mess. By the way, that doesn't just mean going back to the way things were one day before Trump. It means fixing the long-term institutional decay that let Trump and his manipulators cause so much chaos when they happened to win an election with honestly not overwhelming support.

[By the way, I need to edit this: This particular authoritarian move is relatively bipartisan and represents an attitude that's become depressingly common all over the planet. Nonetheless, if you want to do something even about this, the answer is still political.]

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Medical offices hide their numbers for very good reasons: if you've got an abusive spouse, you often don't want the medical office in your call history. Which results in a lot of very important calls being ignored.

Unless I'm missing something, this doesn't seem hard to fix: just let users decide whether hidden numbers should be ignored or received.

Doesn't that make it more likely people are going to miss important calls from their Doctor's office?

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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> legacy TDM systems Easy fix. It should be opt-in to accept a call that is routed through one of these. I know they allow it so some grandma in rural France that still uses a dial phone on a copper line that hasn't been touched since 1962 can call her son in New York, but for the rest of us who are not in that situation, we can just blacklist all those calls and lose nothing. This would even fix spam for the people…

It is opt/in. There's three categories (according to that defcon talk): call originates from the number it says it does, call originates from our network but we're not sure about the number, and call came to us unverified (only allowed by regulation on legacy links). Now, operators of those legacy links make A LOT of money for operating them since they carry 100% of the country's spam traffic, and they're not going t…

> call originates from our network but we're not sure about the number, and call came to us unverified

I'm saying these two categories should be denied by default by my telecom provider, and the user must opt-in to receiving them.

> Now, operators of those legacy links make A LOT of money for operating them since they carry 100% of the country's spam traffic, and they're not going to shut them down just because you think they should.

Those operators are not my concern, they can do whatever they want. I want my telecom provider to block unknown/unverified calls by default. I have no reason to ever receive a call from an unverified source. Some people might, because they have business or relatives or whatever in such a region, and they can opt-in to receiving them if so.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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at times? we can't even decide if women are allowed to control their own bodies. we're now open to states stopping people with dark skin from voting, and we have giant internment camps where we keep innocent men, women, children because they have a spanish accent. vaccines are apparently not a worldwide health miracle, education is overrated, we're bringing back jobs in coal and oil, and invading/destabilizing latin…

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you weren't aware of the recent revocation of laws that prevent southern states from gerrymandering black communities out of a vote, in addition to voter ID laws?

there are many, many public reports of ICE detaining individuals merely for having a spanish accent. they've detained US citizens multiple times, even deported some, because they were hispanic.

I highly recommend reading the news...

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Honestly, stop the KYC regime everywhere else . We're making our law enforcement's job marginally easier, by making the criminals' job infinitely easier by creating millions of juicy PII honeypots. No, you don't need my phone #, real name, captcha.. if you think you do, realign your incentives, and rethink what else can be used for your real need instead.

Absolutely. And this is why I don't give any business my real name, phone number, or other personal information. Starbucks does not need to know my name or email to make my coffee. If a company insists on an app or some kind of registration, they lose my business, plain and simple.

I walked into a gas station the other day because the pump did not print the recipt. I asked the cashier for the receipt and she said I needed to download the app in order to get a receipt.

Pure insanity.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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You mean the link between your name and home address? Impossible to scrub. If you're registered to vote, own a home, or many other things, that is legally a matter of public record.

Some people put their home in a trust to avoid this, and not everyone registers to vote.

IIRC the only way to keep who owns a home truly anonymous (short of a court getting involved) is to create a shell company (not an LLC) and have your attorney sign off on the deed as a representative of the company. Problem is you have to pay a lot more tax if/when you sell (I believe it's considered income, instead of capital gains). LLC's, and I believe, trusts, are fairly easy to sort out the ownership of -- they obscure your name from people finding out where you live, but if somebody is curious who lives at your address, they just have to pull up docs on the legal entity. This probably wouldn't even cause an inconvenience for somebody with access to LexisNexis or whatever.

(Don't quote me on this, if somebody knows better please fill me in)

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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It's even worse: Since cell phones broadcast your location at all times, this means telling hundreds of companies (and a number of governments) your location at basically all times. That's already an issue with most cell phones. Making this apply to prepaid phones is even worse.

Cellphones broadcast their location, not ours. We can leave our phones at home.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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One thing I wonder is if this is just one step removed from 'Now we know the identity of every user so we can now have both probable cause and verified identity to arrest over statements containing speech we do not like.' " Like that is Carr's FCC in a nutshell - he wants to control speech by controlling the airwaves. That is a raw fact in his behavior. But when the news stations say the thing they want them to say,…

If you have to wonder, you don't need to wonder. So now not only can "antifa"-related speech qualify you as a terrorist ( https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/coun... ), now your phone is legally required to track you and report your location at all times. The legal infrastructure is in place to track and bring a wide range of consequences down on just about any and all political enemy, whether tha…

Not just "antifa" in scare quotes, the executive order literally says "anti fascist". My government says I'm a terrorist now because I'm opposed to fascism.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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I like backronyms because it tells me someone with a soul was involved

LLMs are really good at making backronyms, in fact it might be one of the things they're best at. Try prompting any soulless overlord with "give me a backronym for that relates to ". So maybe it's bad backronyms that demonstrate the soul. I don't know who's idea it was to allow a computer to generate whimsy, that should be interdicted by a fourth law of robotics.

Agreed. Aggressively whimsical chatbots should be in the Geneva convention somewhere.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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If you have to wonder, you don't need to wonder. So now not only can "antifa"-related speech qualify you as a terrorist ( https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/coun... ), now your phone is legally required to track you and report your location at all times. The legal infrastructure is in place to track and bring a wide range of consequences down on just about any and all political enemy, whether tha…

Are you trying to imply that there isn’t coordinated attacks by fringe groups just because they’re leftist?

What does that have to do with anything I just said
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