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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by codechicago277 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #66
ctenb wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was hesitant to post my comment. It's the first time I've complained about this on HN I think. And it's not only about the flow of the words at all, it's more about reading something that no one wrote. Especially if it's about a project that seems interesting, having AI written text tells me it's maybe not the passion project I otherwise would think it was.

So because this article seems AI written to you, this business and project which is on it's second iteration and been around for years already, maybe isn't a project of passion in your eyes? Seems like a huge logical leap to make, based on things that it seems you cannot even exactly quantify here, as you're still not pointing out what's wrong with the text, just saying that the text is somehow "lacking of soul" or s…

The criticism is that this is a respectable project, so when you read obvious AI tells like “Honestly, …”, or “Flipper One isn't an upgrade to Flipper Zero — it's a completely different project with its own goals” in the first few paragraphs, it’s distracting and takes away from the content.

A simple fix I use for AI writing is disclosing it. Here, a simple note that “this article was translated with AI assistance” would have made it much less distracting.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by hdb2 »

ctenb wrote: post #21

Most articles I click on in the HN homepage turn out to be written by AI, judging from the phrasing. I'm weirded out by the fact that people don't seem to find it important to write their own thoughts down. The writing in TFA is clearly supervised by a human, but still, the wording is not human at all.

Odd, I just read the entire article and never felt that way at all. When I'm reading AI generated text, it triggers something in my lizard brain, but this didn't.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by [deleted] »

zhovner wrote: post #133
ctenb wrote: post #21

Most articles I click on in the HN homepage turn out to be written by AI, judging from the phrasing. I'm weirded out by the fact that people don't seem to find it important to write their own thoughts down. The writing in TFA is clearly supervised by a human, but still, the wording is not human at all.

I'm the author of this text. It was originaly writen in a mix of russian and english WITHOUT the AI and then polished and translated by editors. Here is the original draft https://blog.flipper.net/p/b5b7e9f8-a99f-4393-bf72-23fe5a42e...

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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by projektfu »

kesor wrote: post #140

Instead of re-inventing Linux distributions for FlipperOS on top of Debian. They should just choose to base it on NixOS which already has these "profiles" as a built-in feature called "Specializations" https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Specialisation

I have a couple NixOS machines but I never put "just" and "NixOS" in the same sentence.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by hdb2 »

armchairhacker wrote: post #13

Can someone explain why Flipper is making these decisions, or what advantages Flipper One has vs a Flipper Zero, RPI, and Linux machine? The (EDIT2: maybe not) AI writing doesn’t help. EDIT: looking more, it seems like the goal is to be a fun project like Playdate, except a Linux multi-tool instead of game console. Which is actually great, a step towards healing today’s corporatized tech culture. It’s unfortunate tha…

Yeah, you've acknowledged it in your edits, but just for others: the author commented above that he did not use AI, only translation tools.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by freedomben »

skinfaxi wrote: post #167
WhitneyLand wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a bizarre feeling isn’t it? Sorry you’re having to defend the act of thinking. The problem is you can’t defend it right? Someone could say your evidence came from a prompt: “Take this article and reverse engineer a hypothetical unpolished first draft written in a mix of Russian and English” I’m not sure what the right answer is here. Fwiw I have no doubt you wrote it unassisted.

Chain of trust from RFID chips embedded in their fingertips that authenticated to their keyboard, proving that at least their fingers grazed the keys that formed the message. But what if they're reading off of a pre-written message?

And are those RFID chips firmware signed by a big tech overlord that we trust? And with kernel level anti-heat? Cause if not...

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

kesor wrote: post #140

Instead of re-inventing Linux distributions for FlipperOS on top of Debian. They should just choose to base it on NixOS which already has these "profiles" as a built-in feature called "Specializations" https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Specialisation

I had the same thought. Their stated goals are very much in line with what nix is all about.

Sadly, I totally get why they didn't. The nix way still isn't ready for "hey everybody, I'm making a thing, let's work on it together."

The hurdles are just too high for non-nix-nerds to pick it up while simultaneously trying to learn the underlying project.

It's a better way, currently only for those primarily in search of a better way.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by codechicago277 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #175
embedding-shape wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, I'm getting more frustrated with the ever-coming flood of "Bah I didn't read because it was obvious AI blah blah" which seemingly every single submission HAS to come with nowadays on HN, god forbid someone is more interested in the content than the flow of the words. If you have specific complaints about the text and content, bring those up instead, and we could discuss those or even correct the linked page itse…

They are tiresome but also understandable. I do not want to read AI generated content, even when its correct, because at that point what's the value? I'm reading results of somebody else's prompt, might as well use my own. I'm surprised any author today isn't pre- or appending their articles with simple statement on AI usage. Transparency goes a long way.

Agree, I find AI valuable for writing reports on the behavior of features in our codebase, but I’ve started sharing the prompt at the top of the file before sending it out, and reviewing the content line by line to catch obvious errors.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by palmotea »

embedding-shape wrote: post #76
cobolcomesback wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is unreasonable to expect “specific complaints” about AI vomit like this, because one of the main issues with AI content is the ability to generate an overwhelming amount of it. It’s simply not feasible to give specific criticisms, because the criticism is with all of it. It’s like submitting a 10 page pull request to someone and then getting mad because the person didn’t give comments on every single snippet of c…

> It is unreasonable to expect “specific complaints” about AI vomit like this, because one of the main issues with AI content is the ability to generate an overwhelming amount of it. It’s simply not feasible to give specific criticisms, because the criticism is with all of it. But how would that make the "I won't read this because it feels like AI" comments more interesting to read? No one is forcing you to read this…

> But how would that make the "I won't read this because it feels like AI" comments more interesting to read?

> No one is forcing you to read this stuff, no one is forcing others to read this stuff as well. When I come across text that isn't great, for whatever reason, then I close the tab and move on with my life. Do I have to make it clear to the world what I think of the text in that specific article? Not really, it'll continue spinning like before, and people who want to read it will read it, others like me will just close it.

I think the point of those comments is to save others that time.

Do you really think it's reasonable to expect every single person to read some piece of slop, and independently make an effort to evaluate it to determine if it's worth reading?

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by freedomben »

handwarmers wrote: post #164
zhovner wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the author of this text. It was originaly writen in a mix of russian and english WITHOUT the AI and then polished and translated by editors. Here is the original draft https://blog.flipper.net/p/b5b7e9f8-a99f-4393-bf72-23fe5a42e...

Don't be discouraged by the comment section here. HN is a cesspool at this point.

"cesspool" is pretty overboard. Have you read virtually any other site lately?
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