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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by burkaman »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #25
ctenb wrote: post #21

Most articles I click on in the HN homepage turn out to be written by AI, judging from the phrasing. I'm weirded out by the fact that people don't seem to find it important to write their own thoughts down. The writing in TFA is clearly supervised by a human, but still, the wording is not human at all.

> The writing in TFA is clearly supervised by a human, but still, the wording is not human at all. I don't see the AI 'tells' in this article. What are you noticing? They use a lot of em-dashes but they use them in a very human way.

> not just ___, but ___

> Honestly? We're genuinely

> isn't ___ -- it's __

Repeatedly saying the same thing with slightly different phrasing: "Flipper One isn't an upgrade to Flipper Zero", "Flipper Zero and Flipper One are completely different projects", "Flipper One doesn't replace Flipper Zero"

Notably different style from the author's pre-LLM writing, see https://blog.flipper.net/introducing-video-game-module-power... or https://blog.flipper.net/electronics-testing/ for example.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by armchairhacker »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #27
armchairhacker wrote: post #13

Can someone explain why Flipper is making these decisions, or what advantages Flipper One has vs a Flipper Zero, RPI, and Linux machine? The (EDIT2: maybe not) AI writing doesn’t help. EDIT: looking more, it seems like the goal is to be a fun project like Playdate, except a Linux multi-tool instead of game console. Which is actually great, a step towards healing today’s corporatized tech culture. It’s unfortunate tha…

> The AI writing doesn’t help. Why do you say there is AI writing?

> So today we're going public not with a big shiny announcement, but to tell the whole story straight. Honestly? We're genuinely terrified, and we need your help.

> Flipper Zero and Flipper One operate at different protocol layers [below a graphic with features like "Power Bank". Do they know what a "protocol layer" is or do I not?]

> Flipper One isn't an upgrade to Flipper Zero — it's a completely different project with its own goals.

And lots of em-dashes.

But looking closer, I actually suspect it’s not AI, the author just integrated LLM-isms into their style.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by ctenb »

embedding-shape wrote: post #26
ctenb wrote: post #21

Most articles I click on in the HN homepage turn out to be written by AI, judging from the phrasing. I'm weirded out by the fact that people don't seem to find it important to write their own thoughts down. The writing in TFA is clearly supervised by a human, but still, the wording is not human at all.

Tbh, I'm getting more frustrated with the ever-coming flood of "Bah I didn't read because it was obvious AI blah blah" which seemingly every single submission HAS to come with nowadays on HN, god forbid someone is more interested in the content than the flow of the words. If you have specific complaints about the text and content, bring those up instead, and we could discuss those or even correct the linked page itse…

I was hesitant to post my comment. It's the first time I've complained about this on HN I think. And it's not only about the flow of the words at all, it's more about reading something that no one wrote. Especially if it's about a project that seems interesting, having AI written text tells me it's maybe not the passion project I otherwise would think it was.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by bradfa »

R_mand wrote: post #17

“The two processors communicate over a set of interfaces we call the Interconnect: SPI carries the framebuffer to the MCU for display output” Even with peripheral DMA this idea sounds terrifying.

It's a pretty normal thing to do for small LCD screens. Linux has had SPI framebuffer support via fbtft subsystem (in staging tree now, previously was out of tree) for well over a decade. It works quite well.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by stared »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #25
ctenb wrote: post #21

Most articles I click on in the HN homepage turn out to be written by AI, judging from the phrasing. I'm weirded out by the fact that people don't seem to find it important to write their own thoughts down. The writing in TFA is clearly supervised by a human, but still, the wording is not human at all.

> The writing in TFA is clearly supervised by a human, but still, the wording is not human at all. I don't see the AI 'tells' in this article. What are you noticing? They use a lot of em-dashes but they use them in a very human way.

Sufficiently advanced marketing is indistinguishable from AI.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by kylecazar »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #2

Cool, but I think they're holding themselves back with that weird form-factor. I would've preferred if they'd included a full QWERTY keyboard, like the the GPD Pocket 4[1] or the GPD Win Mini. With a proper keyboard, I could write code on the go, easily edit files, navigate a terminal and mess with things... and do so much more in general. Also, 8GB RAM is barely enough these days, whereas the GPD comes with upto 64G…

The form factor is indeed strange. It reminds me of an N-Gage if they had a "rugged"/durable version that was made for construction sites.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by xgulfie »

monegator wrote: post #50
embedding-shape wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, I'm getting more frustrated with the ever-coming flood of "Bah I didn't read because it was obvious AI blah blah" which seemingly every single submission HAS to come with nowadays on HN, god forbid someone is more interested in the content than the flow of the words. If you have specific complaints about the text and content, bring those up instead, and we could discuss those or even correct the linked page itse…

It is exhausting to always have to read word salads with little content. Every single fucking article with 20 lines of introduction before you get a chance for actual content. LLM slop then dilutes the information, and LLM slop always read the same way. You know, how easy it is to spot LLM generated content, it is actually refreshing when you can tell it's a human.

LLM content is so exasperating to read, it always reads like a student trying to pad out their paper, or like a press release with no details

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by blanched »

embedding-shape wrote: post #41
blanched wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand, I get what you mean. Some genuinely interesting projects are immediately dismissed because AI was involved. On the other hand, I have two real problems with AI writing. 1. LLM prose is genuinely unpleasant to read. Its the exact same way that I strongly dislike reading LinkedIn posts or email marketing copy. It's all the same slimy tone that's using a certain sentence structure and rhetoric to try to…

> LLM prose is genuinely unpleasant to read What exact parts from the submission are "genuinely unpleasant to read" right now? Highlighting those could make it better rather than just filling HN with "LLM texts is boring to read". > Sometimes it feels like someone asking you to read an article with no punctuation or grammar Ok, but is that actually the problem here, or why are you adding more general complaints inste…

I mean, you posted a comment and started a discussion about "LLM complaints on HN", so I replied to that. I didn't comment about the article itself.

Part of my point is that the line between "written by an LLM" and "written for marketing" is so blurred that you can't always tell anyways.

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