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Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by Barbing »

tapoxi wrote: post #178
_verandaguy wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the main reason I stay away from Vivaldi; using Firefox is, for all of Mozilla's borderline comical mismanagement, a protest vote against Blink (and previously, Chromium).

This has been a lost cause for the past decade or so. Web developers don't target Firefox anymore because a 5% share isn't enough to matter. Both projects (Chromium and Firefox) are open, so it's like Linux vs FreeBSD, but at least FreeBSD has a clear licensing advantage.

We need some billionaire class people to take their business from a site that won’t support Firefox, and say why. or whatever that’s less pie in sky

No defeatism though please, some of us will advocate till the end (pen & paper)

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by toddmorey »

noisy_boy wrote: post #170

I use Vivaldi because of its Workspaces which have so much better UX than tab groups. I don't need to see my Social or my Tech tab group until I'm switching for it; Firefox shows them all the time - atleast I haven't found a way to hide them and associated tabs until I need them without having to launch a new window. In Vivaldi, they are ready to use immediately upon switching while keeping everything in the same win…

It’s my daily browser. Small glitches occasionally and can lag chrome releases, but the best absolute non-adware browser with powerful features.

I have it configured to be ultra minimal with the look of Arc that I loved.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by bennyp101 »

adrian_b wrote: post #19

With Firefox, especially with Firefox on Linux, which always had and still has poor GPU support, I frequently encounter sites that do not work well or they do not work at all. So I must keep a backup browser, which is normally Vivaldi, because typically any site that works in Chrome also works in Vivaldi. Moreover, Vivaldi has a great advantage over both Firefox and Chrome, in it the command to print a Web page usual…

Maybe I just don't surf the web as much anymore, but everything I use or click on works in Firefox on Linux, I can't remember the last time I found something that didn't work (other than some Show HN fancy graphics thing)

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by tredre3 »

zb3 wrote: post #138
tuananh wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a closed-source browser is a non-starter for me.

Furthermore I don't see a clear business model there that isn't about injecting ads.

They have affiliate bookmarks and as well as links that are injected when you type things in the address bar.

They don't append their affiliate code when you type the full url (like brave did that one time) at least but I feel like adding undisclosed sponsored suggestions to the autocomplete counts as "injecting".

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by buran77 »

dylan604 wrote: post #155
buran77 wrote: post #144

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> Firefox is controlled opposition practically owned by Google And how does that "ownership" look like in practice? Has Google ever decided how things should be done "or else"? What Google does is pay a protection tax. Without Firefox around and independent, the EU is almost sure to break Chrome away from Google, especially with the warm EU-US relations now. So Google pays and is going to pay as much as it takes to k…

> Everyone has this revelation once. If it was that easy then customers would practically own the company providing them the services. Do you and your fellow paying customers feel like you own any company, especially big-tech? Do you all control Netflix? Amazon? Apple? A million individual voices are just noise which is what your "fellow paying customers" line equates. A single monetary contributor is not that. It is…

> It is the sugar daddy of Firefox.

Talking about bad faith, with Google's single, enormously powerful voice surely you can hear what it says. So why not answer to literally the first thing I asked in my comment instead of skipping straight to the end to claim bad faith? You should have laundry list of examples to show how Google flashes the cash and the orders, and Firefox executes. That's a sugar daddy.

You understand that if Firefox ever just becomes a puppet on Google hand the whole setup crumbles? It's barely at the edge of plausible deniability even today. Why kill the golden goose when Firefox is anyway in no position to become a real threat on the browser market any time soon.

Plenty of companies lived and died by their customers' "noise", or at least got a bloody nose, so that's a shallow dismissal.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by tredre3 »

dismalaf wrote: post #103
tuananh wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a closed-source browser is a non-starter for me.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser... It's open in all of the ways that matter, basically they just want to protect their look and feel.

> It's open in all of the ways that matter

I disagree greatly here. I'd argue that the engine is the part that matters the least to users, it's the added UI/UX they want to be able to analyze and modify.

Blink won't send my bookmarks and passwords unencrypted to god knows where. The vivaldi UI might. I'd want to see the source for their system. Blink also doesn't have a built-in VPN or remotely togglable experiment system that I'd like to analyze, that's in the closed source part of Vivaldi.

If I want to add features that aren't possible through webextensions, chances are that I need to modify the UI, not the engine, to make it happen.

If I'm a purist, of course I want it all open.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by m-axiom »

tuananh wrote: post #81
yard2010 wrote: post #64

Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, a…

a closed-source browser is a non-starter for me.

Good thing then, that you can download sources from: https://vivaldi.com/source/

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by gmueckl »

turblety wrote: post #65
isodev wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you are the product Then we need to have a discussion about that because in case of Vivaldi you are in fact not the product.

Happy to discuss. I'm not sure if this [1] is still relevant, but it appears that Vivaldi makes money by promoting search engines and bookmarks to their users via their closed source, secret, Chromium fork. If my usage of their Chromium clone is being used to sell search engines/website bookmarks, then I am indeed the product. There does also seem to be a VPN option on their site that I'm assuming I can pay for, whic…

"Being the product" refers to recording user behavior and processing it for gains. Displaying non-personalized ads (which are trivial to completely avoid in Vivaldi) is not that.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by m-axiom »

colordrops wrote: post #164
yard2010 wrote: post #64

Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, a…

Nope, I don't use closed source browsers. Hell no.

Have you tried to google "vivaldi source"? You might be suprised
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