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Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Not crazy, I always resort to yandex when I know google is not showing me the results I am looking for DDG doesn’t click for me sadly, and I cannot point my finger to where or why

A bet the stupid name doesn’t help. I know what you mean though, I use it but it’s never quite right. Hard to say exactly why.

Having a stupid name is tables stakes in the search space.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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>First of all, I can and will visit any website I want, and I will use an ad blocker while doing so. And so can LLMs, so I don't see why anyone should be upset about "stealing content" >In either case the creator gets zero $. It could be argued that pirating might actually benefit the creator more - since it would increase overall usage/adoption/prevalence of the product/game. So your argument is kinda backwards. So…

Whoever can and wants to pay is free to pay. Everyone else is free to not pay. Not sure what the problem with that is - seems like a basic human right/freedom unless your brain is consumed by the marketing/advertising virus. In many cases running something like an online game requires server s/infra , and also requires an active subscription - not something you can generally get around.

>In many cases running something like an online game requires server s/infra , and also requires an active subscription - not something you can generally get around.

Why would they pay for server infra or pay the devs? They should just be free to pay what they want or pay nothing at all. Not sure what the problem is.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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I feel like a crazy person, but I've been using Yandex as the last resort and having positive results in finding stuff that I know is out there but Google has decided to stop letting me see. (I tried DDG but for my use it's been worse than Google).

Not crazy, I always resort to yandex when I know google is not showing me the results I am looking for DDG doesn’t click for me sadly, and I cannot point my finger to where or why

Well, I'd love to know; as I've said in some other comments, we've changed and improved a lot in the last couple years and so feel free to send me feedback.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Google does not hate us... it is worse than that - it is indifferent to us. Hate requires some sort of recognition. I mean this single incident may not mean anything but overall google is heading to an _interesting_ place. In short, it was state of the art but in 20 years it became just another conglomerate sacrificing quality for shareholder gain, I think? As a search engine, it does not work for me. I see promoted…

Mail is terrible. The central conceit of Gmail, and unfortunately what made it immediately popular, is that you should not have to care about deleting emails because you “have enough” storage. Over time this evolved into an awful incentive structure that results in 100s if not 1000s of spam/useless/irrelevant/garbage marketing emails a day and a reminder that the next tier up is just $1 a month (for now). In the end, the state of mail is emblematic of the whole problem with that company.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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>Maybe take a moment to consider why people are choosing to use adblockers in the first place. So they can get content without compensating for it. I've been on this train since the beginning. I was there when ad-block-plus read the writing on the wall 15 years ago and decided to make a truce with advertisers. It was clearly unsustainable for 50% of web users to be effectively parasites, so maybe we can negotiate on…

Users do not compensate websites for serving ads. Your argument just doesn't make any sense. Also - negotiating 'a truce with advertisers'? What does that even mean? Granting the ads industry even more power and control over the internet? Can you come up with an idea that isn't a dystopian hellhole on its face?

>Users do not compensate websites for serving ads.

Are you confused or being sarcastic?

I'll admit the system is one step larger than a typical transaction, which could be hard to understand for some, but the views -> ads -> dollars pipeline is the still straightforward to understand. Maybe not. I don't know when things get too complicated here.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Not crazy, I always resort to yandex when I know google is not showing me the results I am looking for DDG doesn’t click for me sadly, and I cannot point my finger to where or why

DDG is repackaged Bing. Used to be Yandex too but sanctions put an end to that.

We are significantly more than that at this point, including that we've been working on our own web index for the past two years (see https://insideduckduckgo.substack.com/p/duck-tales-why-duckd...). But on top of that we don't get local results, knowledge graph, answers, sports, anything AI related, and many more essential modules from Bing, all of which collectively makes up a large % of the results at this point, let alone the vastly different UXs.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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This happened to an open source project I used to maintain[0]. After years of healthy growth, traffic dropped 95%. No explanation. It then restarted to organically grow again. It's been about 3 years, and we're still get roughly 40% of the hits we used to, but we were set back about 6 years of natural growth.

[0] https://2009scape.org

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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A bet the stupid name doesn’t help. I know what you mean though, I use it but it’s never quite right. Hard to say exactly why.

My sister thought it was malware when she was seeing ads for it. Something about the whole overall branding is just bad.

Sorry you feel that way, pooploop64. We are doing a complete brand refresh this year though.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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The edits are likely why you’re getting downvoted so much tbh.

Trust me, the downvotes were instant. People really hate it when you hold up a mirror to illustrate a problem. They tend to reflexively punch the mirror

The downvotes are for the unnecessarily aggressive approach, even from people without a major dog in the fight.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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I feel like the dream solution is more like tree-based content: you see content that is vouched for by people you vouch for; if someone's account is compromised then their vouches get updated to not matter anymore, cutting their whole tree off at the root to make it invisible. Spammers should end up in largely disconnected components of the trees.

How does new content or content from new accounts get seen by anyone?

A feww options:

1. get some people who trust you to vouch for you when you join (similar to requiring an invite to join but maybe more flexible?)

2. some kind of induction process, maybe the algorithm surfaces your stuff and gets feedback, like the 'new' queue on HN

3. same as before but the AI tries to do it (scary though)

4. use the same account as on other sites, or otherwise tie it to a global reputation or something you had to invest a fair amount to build. Not great for privacy but I think it has to happen eventually; otherwise new accounts are too cheap to make.

Regardless, once you're in the system your credibility is only as good as your contributions, so you should be filtered out again if you're nefarious.

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