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Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by 650REDHAIR »

hungryhobbit wrote: post #18

They're a wiki. Wiki spammers are relentless now. Source: a small wiki I help manage, for an obscure game with On a popular wiki, and it sounds like this one was fairly popular, I imagine even CAPTCHA's won't be enough to stop wiki spammers. If those spammers were posting more than just "buy my penis pill" garbage (e.g. they were putting links to malware sites), Google probably, and somewhat legitimately, saw them as…

I saw a comment on here a few days ago and the user mentioned that they use a Captcha AI bot in their day to day life because a solve costs $.003. So even if you had the captcha-enabled new version it might not have helped!

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by aleqs »

WarmWash wrote: post #169
aleqs wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe take a moment to consider why people are choosing to use adblockers in the first place. And whether having content being monetized through and relying on ads is even a good thing overall (it's not). Advertising and marketing is fundamentally a negative for society in most cases.

>Maybe take a moment to consider why people are choosing to use adblockers in the first place. So they can get content without compensating for it. I've been on this train since the beginning. I was there when ad-block-plus read the writing on the wall 15 years ago and decided to make a truce with advertisers. It was clearly unsustainable for 50% of web users to be effectively parasites, so maybe we can negotiate on…

Users do not compensate websites for serving ads. Your argument just doesn't make any sense.

Also - negotiating 'a truce with advertisers'? What does that even mean? Granting the ads industry even more power and control over the internet?

Can you come up with an idea that isn't a dystopian hellhole on its face?

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by flir »

RankingMember wrote: post #149
f4stjack wrote: post #127

Google does not hate us... it is worse than that - it is indifferent to us. Hate requires some sort of recognition. I mean this single incident may not mean anything but overall google is heading to an _interesting_ place. In short, it was state of the art but in 20 years it became just another conglomerate sacrificing quality for shareholder gain, I think? As a search engine, it does not work for me. I see promoted…

I feel like a crazy person, but I've been using Yandex as the last resort and having positive results in finding stuff that I know is out there but Google has decided to stop letting me see. (I tried DDG but for my use it's been worse than Google).

Someone round here said Yandex shows you what you searched for, while Google shows you what it thinks you should have searched for.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by aleqs »

WarmWash wrote: post #170
aleqs wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you don't want the ads and privacy invasion, you don't visit the website. First of all, I can and will visit any website I want, and I will use an ad blocker while doing so. Second - how do you know what ads and privacy invasion a website might have before you visit it? Makes no sense. > Like if a video game is too expensive for your liking, you simply don't buy it. Going and pirating it is not a valid respons…

>First of all, I can and will visit any website I want, and I will use an ad blocker while doing so. And so can LLMs, so I don't see why anyone should be upset about "stealing content" >In either case the creator gets zero $. It could be argued that pirating might actually benefit the creator more - since it would increase overall usage/adoption/prevalence of the product/game. So your argument is kinda backwards. So…

Whoever can and wants to pay is free to pay. Everyone else is free to not pay. Not sure what the problem with that is - seems like a basic human right/freedom unless your brain is consumed by the marketing/advertising virus.

In many cases running something like an online game requires server s/infra , and also requires an active subscription - not something you can generally get around.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by muppetman »

seviu wrote: post #165
RankingMember wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like a crazy person, but I've been using Yandex as the last resort and having positive results in finding stuff that I know is out there but Google has decided to stop letting me see. (I tried DDG but for my use it's been worse than Google).

Not crazy, I always resort to yandex when I know google is not showing me the results I am looking for DDG doesn’t click for me sadly, and I cannot point my finger to where or why

A bet the stupid name doesn’t help.

I know what you mean though, I use it but it’s never quite right. Hard to say exactly why.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by flir »

manwe150 wrote: post #160
andoando wrote: post #138

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The promoted links have gotten insane, the first 5-6 links often appear to be ads

Worse, they often aren't even relevant: we searched "passport renewal" and you had to go the the second page to even get the government site that renews passports, and not ad scams masquerading as the real thing. Optimized for engagement, presumably. Edit: come to think of it, I don't know why I still use Google. I don't care if they track me. But when they have been actively try to prevent me from finding the inform…

> Edit: come to think of it, I don't know why I still use Google.

A guess: because you type queries in the URL bar, and they're the default search engine in your web browser?

(I'm convinced that these days, this is 90% of Google's advantage)

Image search is so hyper-optimised for shopping it's useless.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by hmokiguess »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #42

Why would Google need to direct traffic to the website when they've already scraped and trained their models on the data? Content creators and legitimate websites were wham-bammed and thank-you-ma’amed.

I thought the same, isn’t a lot of this data stable and static. Why recrawl and continually index stuff that has low value if the corpus is already feature complete.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by pooploop64 »

muppetman wrote: post #175
seviu wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not crazy, I always resort to yandex when I know google is not showing me the results I am looking for DDG doesn’t click for me sadly, and I cannot point my finger to where or why

A bet the stupid name doesn’t help. I know what you mean though, I use it but it’s never quite right. Hard to say exactly why.

My sister thought it was malware when she was seeing ads for it. Something about the whole overall branding is just bad.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by tomp »

FYI Google also hates OpenCV

What used to be easily searchable (e.g. "opencv orb") now brings up pages and pages of spam sites (basically "learn opencv here!" blogspam).

Literally the first result on "docs.opencv.org" is on page 4, and points to version 3.4 (9 years old!).

The page that I want https://docs.opencv.org/4.13.0/dc/dc3/tutorial_py_matcher.ht... is nowhere to be found.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

seviu wrote: post #165
RankingMember wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like a crazy person, but I've been using Yandex as the last resort and having positive results in finding stuff that I know is out there but Google has decided to stop letting me see. (I tried DDG but for my use it's been worse than Google).

Not crazy, I always resort to yandex when I know google is not showing me the results I am looking for DDG doesn’t click for me sadly, and I cannot point my finger to where or why

DDG is repackaged Bing. Used to be Yandex too but sanctions put an end to that.
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