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Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by naruhodo »

cferry wrote: post #96

My belief is that the AI business is all about data collection. The value isn't so much in the quality of the models (that's what enterprise customers and developers pay to get), but in the amount of data that comes "for free" to whoever hosts the models. And then it's worth whoever buys it thinks it is, like insurers or advertisers.

When you use a coding model running on someone else's computer, you're giving an AI company your proprietary source code and associated documentation, and you're giving free training examples to make a future AI model better equipped to eliminate your job. Valuable data indeed.

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Post by lovich »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #175
lovich wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re all awful. Does anyone believe a single big tech company isn’t harvesting data en masse from everyone in duplicitous manners? Like, the best case scenario is that they don’t just blatantly steal your data and instead use dark patterns or inference to take from you without your knowledge. And then, thanks to the wonderful opinions of the court, the government has full access to said data since you apparently k…

They won't actually show you who said what though. Twitter trialed that feature then they quickly turned it off after everyone realized half of the maga influencers were russians. It also kind of stinks because not every mistake should be immortalized and recorded forever. Blackmail and all that. It kind of ruins the internet in a different way.

I want it enforced at a governmental level. I don’t think content consumed by people should be required to be public but if you want to post on a public square that the internet is, I should be able to recognize you as well I could in meatspace.

We get all the negatives of anonymity now with foreign actors, domestic actors, and bots flooding the zone with lies, and not of the benefits since all the corporations and governments can trivially pierce that veil.

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Post by jorvi »

fragmede wrote: post #118
GeekyBear wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brave started off incredibly sketchy Chrome has stayed incredibly sketchy from the beginning, when Google gained marketshare by sneaking Chrome into the installer for other products that people intentionally downloaded. Then Chrome did things like "accidentally" uploading your entire browsing history to Google servers when you signed into Gmail. Now they have declared war on ad blockers, despite the government warn…

That's a different kind of sketchy than whatever crypto ad replacement stuff that Brave was accused of doing.

All they did was add their own affiliate link to crypto links that didn't have them. You didn't get tracked from it, and you didn't lose out on anything.

Still sketchy because of the lack of consent, but people act like Brave personally stole money from them.

The other "sketchy crypto stuff" is one of the few actually workable alternatives to funding websites with ads on webpages. Again, Brave took in no money (BAT) that you as an admin / creator would have otherwise had, and they keep it in escrow, they don't claim it.

The only other sketchy thing I can remember is pre-installing a deactivated VPN so that people could pay, push a button and it'd work immediately. Plenty of companies do hacks like that for the sake of UX. Dropbox used to hack macOS its Accessibility permission so people wouldn't have to dive into settings to toggle certain things.

The irony is that Firefox has had their own scandals like surreptitiously installing a hidden ad extension that would advertise for Mr. Robot, but somehow Firefox stans have erased that kerfuffle from their collective memory.

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Post by shlewis »

stronglikedan wrote: post #61
Fairburn wrote: post #44

Use anything BUT Chrome or Edge.

I've tried them all but nothing so far beats the UX of Chrome.

Genuinely curious what makes you say that. Haven't used Chrome for a really long time and not once I've missed it.

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Post by ZetsuBouKyo »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #73

It seems to me that adding AI to desktop apps and sending the data back to the mothership for processing is an amazing way to collect data from people who, for the most part, would be completely unaware it's even happening. Heck, most of them think the Internet is Chrome.

According to the current shortage of computing power and electricity, I suspect that what they really want is not your data, but the computing power and electricity from your device.

If users' behaviors can be pre-labeled on their own devices, processed with AI, and then sent back, it might save a significant amount of internal computing costs.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jorvi wrote: post #183
fragmede wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a different kind of sketchy than whatever crypto ad replacement stuff that Brave was accused of doing.

All they did was add their own affiliate link to crypto links that didn't have them. You didn't get tracked from it, and you didn't lose out on anything. Still sketchy because of the lack of consent, but people act like Brave personally stole money from them. The other "sketchy crypto stuff" is one of the few actually workable alternatives to funding websites with ads on webpages. Again, Brave took in no money (BAT)…

> The irony is that Firefox has had their own scandals like surreptitiously installing a hidden ad extension that would advertise for Mr. Robot, but somehow Firefox stans have erased that kerfuffle from their collective memory.

That isn't what it did.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by protocolture »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #116
cferry wrote: post #96

My belief is that the AI business is all about data collection. The value isn't so much in the quality of the models (that's what enterprise customers and developers pay to get), but in the amount of data that comes "for free" to whoever hosts the models. And then it's worth whoever buys it thinks it is, like insurers or advertisers.

"My belief is the AI business is all about data collection." The "business" of so-called "tech" companies is all about data collection https://www.economist.com/leaders/2017/05/06/the-worlds-most...

If thats the case why dont they just pay me for it directly.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by martin-t »

Why are they so hungry for data? If it's so intelligent, why does it need to learn by imitation so much?

It feels almost like "AI" can't be built without trillions of hours of human work, yet the ownership of the models and the resulting revenue goes only to those in positions of power to exploit that labor instead of the people doing actual work.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by orthecreedence »

cferry wrote: post #96

My belief is that the AI business is all about data collection. The value isn't so much in the quality of the models (that's what enterprise customers and developers pay to get), but in the amount of data that comes "for free" to whoever hosts the models. And then it's worth whoever buys it thinks it is, like insurers or advertisers.

> My belief is that the AI business is all about data collection.

In the short term, maybe. That's what you tell investors.

In the long term, it's about altering, shaping, and even constructing reality: making a new and canonical truth for humanity where the ruling classes are invisible to us and the machine that tells us our history and bedtime stories and how we feel is in every device we carry, until it is everywhere, and it has always been everywhere, and it will always be everywhere.

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