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Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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You mean that chrome is an internet explorer?

Something no one else would want - a little colored dot next to HN user names keyed to their generation, so I could quickly tell why none of the commenter mentioned AOL.

What about Prodigy and Compuserve?

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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It seems to me that adding AI to desktop apps and sending the data back to the mothership for processing is an amazing way to collect data from people who, for the most part, would be completely unaware it's even happening. Heck, most of them think the Internet is Chrome.

I once had someone ask me why closing the web browser turned off his Internet

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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I called this out when it was announced on here. Supposedly the team lead replied to my comment saying this wouldn't happen. I rolled my eyes but asked will android be able to use those models for ex filtration. No reply. And apparently the original claim was not true either lol. Maybe I'm misremembering it. Google is awful. My goodness. I hate Android and can't wait to be rid of it. Graphene and it's buddies can't r…

They’re all awful. Does anyone believe a single big tech company isn’t harvesting data en masse from everyone in duplicitous manners? Like, the best case scenario is that they don’t just blatantly steal your data and instead use dark patterns or inference to take from you without your knowledge. And then, thanks to the wonderful opinions of the court, the government has full access to said data since you apparently k…

> Does anyone believe a single big tech company isn’t harvesting data en masse from everyone in duplicitous manners?

TSMC, maybe?

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re all awful. Does anyone believe a single big tech company isn’t harvesting data en masse from everyone in duplicitous manners? Like, the best case scenario is that they don’t just blatantly steal your data and instead use dark patterns or inference to take from you without your knowledge. And then, thanks to the wonderful opinions of the court, the government has full access to said data since you apparently k…

> Does anyone believe a single big tech company isn’t harvesting data en masse from everyone in duplicitous manners? TSMC, maybe?

They don't really count

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I called this out when it was announced on here. Supposedly the team lead replied to my comment saying this wouldn't happen. I rolled my eyes but asked will android be able to use those models for ex filtration. No reply. And apparently the original claim was not true either lol. Maybe I'm misremembering it. Google is awful. My goodness. I hate Android and can't wait to be rid of it. Graphene and it's buddies can't r…

They’re all awful. Does anyone believe a single big tech company isn’t harvesting data en masse from everyone in duplicitous manners? Like, the best case scenario is that they don’t just blatantly steal your data and instead use dark patterns or inference to take from you without your knowledge. And then, thanks to the wonderful opinions of the court, the government has full access to said data since you apparently k…

They won't actually show you who said what though. Twitter trialed that feature then they quickly turned it off after everyone realized half of the maga influencers were russians.

It also kind of stinks because not every mistake should be immortalized and recorded forever. Blackmail and all that. It kind of ruins the internet in a different way.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re all awful. Does anyone believe a single big tech company isn’t harvesting data en masse from everyone in duplicitous manners? Like, the best case scenario is that they don’t just blatantly steal your data and instead use dark patterns or inference to take from you without your knowledge. And then, thanks to the wonderful opinions of the court, the government has full access to said data since you apparently k…

> Does anyone believe a single big tech company isn’t harvesting data en masse from everyone in duplicitous manners? TSMC, maybe?

When I said big tech I meant software, not primarily hardware companies. ASML is also not likely to be harvesting our data.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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post #158

It seems to me that adding AI to desktop apps and sending the data back to the mothership for processing is an amazing way to collect data from people who, for the most part, would be completely unaware it's even happening. Heck, most of them think the Internet is Chrome.

I'm just not sure how this gives me control of my information, whether I want it sent or not to Google, and if they're retaining it for training or not. That last question I don't even want to ask because the first two doesn't seem clear. This could be simply fixed by adding the feature, and defaulting it off, and letting people learn about it and enable it.

> adding the feature, and defaulting it off

Nobody gets a promotion for doing that.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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I know that I'm in a bit of a bubble with this one, but I am surprised there is still anyone using Chrome instead of Brave. I get the dependency on Gmail other Google-specific tools, but the built-in ad blocking and Google-free aspects of it made me switch instantly and haven't look back after years.

I switched to Firefox when Chrome started messing with the ad blockers. Haven't really had any issues. I prefer developer tools on Chrome but I rarely need to use them anyway.

Firefox defaults to using DoH with Cloudflare. Less evil than your ISP seeing DNS queries but CF aren't doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

#179

This seems somewhat specious - it's also quite possible that they just altered the wording to make it less verbose. Does anyone have access to the link "Learn more about on-device AI"? If Chrome starts sending data from the browser back to Google, that's going to be a huge compliance issue. If you work for a company that processes customer data in the browser, you're going to need to ban Chrome.

Chrome has been recording metadata (URLs, timestamps, etc) about your activity since forever, and you can turn this off if you like, see https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity . They don't record data (POSTs etc).

Nitpicky, but metadata is data and this distinction favors google too much in my opinion

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

#180

This seems somewhat specious - it's also quite possible that they just altered the wording to make it less verbose. Does anyone have access to the link "Learn more about on-device AI"? If Chrome starts sending data from the browser back to Google, that's going to be a huge compliance issue. If you work for a company that processes customer data in the browser, you're going to need to ban Chrome.

it already sends data back to google, the ai stuff, everything that goes in the address bar goes straight to google unless you specifically configure chrome to block it

the on-device ai just offloads some work onto your device

i doubt anyone will be banning chrome, for some reason "it's for ai" is a valid excuse for any amount of sillyness

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