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Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by dylan604 »

bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

What ever happened to take it to a dealer or authorized repair place to have it done? While I may be willing to take certain things apart that, the one thing in life I have resisted is any kind of monkeying with my car. There are certain things where I'm willing to accept that I took it apart and it no longer works because I bricked it, shorted something, or otherwise damaged it beyond my skill set to undo. My car is not one of them. However, I also do not want my car to be under the direct control of someone else that can decide I can no longer operate my car. If there's an update, I'll bring it in to have someone trained/responsible for that update.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by gnabgib »

dlev_pika wrote: post #70

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle (e.g., navigation, lane keeping assistance (…) Curious why lane keeping assistance would need to communicate externally. Isn’t all this processed in the vehicle?

You're reading too much into the editorialized title, this is a FAQ for Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

Lane keeping assist likely (a) shares data back to Rivian, and (b) depends on GPS and (live) map data to know location specific settings.. that there are 4 lanes on this road and the left 2 lead somewhere else (etc). Line detection (on-device) isn't always reliable (snow, rain, ice, mud, gravel, construction)

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by traderj0e »

roflchoppa wrote: post #174
traderj0e wrote: post #138

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Oh that's not bad at all, I thought it was like $500. My cheapo knockoff was $20.

Have you flashed anything? I need to flash the gearbox on my CRV, really wanted to DIY it at home and not get upcharged by the stealerships. https://www.crvownersclub.com/attachments/tsb-15-086-crv-tra...

No, but I'm not a good person to ask. My two cars are on opposite extremes, one is simple and doesn't need anything beyond OBD2, and the other is too scary to mess with digitally.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by ModernMech »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #167
ModernMech wrote: post #73

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Yes, indeed it does. I didn't feel this way until I worked for a YC-backed startup tho. I mean, YC is the first to admit that not everything needs to be VC funded and some things just aren't good fit for that funding model. I think a code editor is one of them.

> I mean, YC is the first to admit that not everything needs to be VC funded and some things just aren't good fit for that funding model. I think a code editor is one of them. Fully agree. I also feel like a lot of companies do not need to be on the stock market, especially if they're reasonably profitable, feels like the stock market is where you go to let go of more of your company just to get rid of the VCs whom y…

I remember when I was learning about entrepreneurship in college I was baffled by their insistence of an “exit strategy”. The idea just seemed so foreign to me. See I naively thought the point of starting a business was to do the business, not to not do it and sit next to a pile of money instead. Silly me.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by simpaticoder »

carlgreene wrote: post #23
simpaticoder wrote: post #6

This is insufficient. There needs to be a physical button that either physically disconnects every antenna and/or de-powers the transceiver.

Kinda rich coming from someone who doesn't even have a valid SSL cert on the website in their profile bio...

I didn't notice until you mentioned it; fixed. Like others have pointed out, one issue has little to do with the other.

Cars were made for 100 years without an internet connection. Even for an EV there is no need for network connectivity or constant software updates. The first time a prominent figure is assasinated with a remote take-over of their vehicle people may start to see this issue a bit differently.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by LocalH »

Svoka wrote: post #160

Reading comments, I expectantly see a lot of cheering for this step, with many calling for further measures. I understand that privacy features are important to some people, but I am not one of them. Can someone provide what needs these feature covers? Like, what are some reason to disable all internet connectivity? I am genuinely curious.

So you're okay with every single company being able to track you, build a profile to you, and sell that profile to the highest bidder, while you get nothing remotely comparable in value?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by Fnoord »

dlev_pika wrote: post #70

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle (e.g., navigation, lane keeping assistance (…) Curious why lane keeping assistance would need to communicate externally. Isn’t all this processed in the vehicle?

I find it ridiculous navigation would require always-on internet connectivity. Seems a regression from the offline TomTom devices from the past.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by bluGill »

babypuncher wrote: post #42
johnea wrote: post #18

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So why would you prefer goggle's "control the user experience" power-tripping, to rivian's? I'd much rather side with the company that was willing to allow the user to disable net connectivity...

Ideally, they would support Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. There are a few big reasons this is preferable. - I already pay for internet on my phone, I'm not interested in paying for another cellular service just to get maps and music streaming on the screen in my car. GM ditched CarPlay specifically to push customers to their subscription service. I know some electric automakers are offering it "for free", but I do…

My car has Android Automotive and CarPlay and Android Auto are disabled. Honestly, if I was driving my car for all days, eight hours a day, the Android Automotive is better. However, I don't. I drive for a few minutes to work on days when it's not safe to ride my bike. That doesn't happen very often, but once in a while. It's just not worth the monthly fee and I'm really frustrated the few times I do get in my car that I can't use my phone because a car keeps jumping in when I say, hey Google. if I'm using maps, I don't see the friendly display. Which direction I'm supposed to turn and so if the kids are talking to me at the same time the jumps up, I sometimes miss my turn indicator. When playing music I don't have a nice convenient touch in front of me to say skip this song instead I have to pick up my phone which of course is illegal now for good reason.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by Loughla »

UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #178
monegator wrote: post #142

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Yeah, because you allegedly consented to them being able to update your ECUs via the mobile link in the cars when you bought the car. As if I needed another reason to keep my 2014 skoda. If i ever have to get a new car, i will disable telemetry, and i will buy it either without telemetry, or with the agreement that i do not consent to telemetry. (read the fine print before getting a new car. the shit they can do that…

I assure you that “old cars costing as much as new ones” isn’t the result of the market force of people reading contractual fine print and/or freaking out about telemetry. Concentric circles of echo chambers over here.

I agree. I have never met anyone in real life that's concerned about telemetry on their car.

They're worried about the cost of a new car, and the cost of all the electronics, should they go bad.

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