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Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by MarsIronPI »

eduction wrote: post #50
vachina wrote: post #39

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I don’t see how supporting Chromium is better than not supporting an alternate rendering engine. Firefox for the end-user is fantastic.

People build on chromium for the same reason they build on Linux. I’d personally prefer if they built on illumos or bsd but at a certain point people would rather spend their innovation budget higher up the stack and benefit from the platform that has the most open source engineers working on it.

Except it turns out that it's a good thing that the alternative implementations exist. Standards are meaningless if there's only one implementer.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by MarsIronPI »

Latty wrote: post #131
eknkc wrote: post #116

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I mean he also invented the fucking JavaScript. At that rate one needs to abolish all modern technology and go tribal. Cause I’m certain my toothbrush runs JavaScript.

There is an obvious difference between someone who is still actively involved in running something and working on it, profiting from it's success in the market, and using something someone invented but is no longer leading development of or profiting from. It's normal and reasonable to discover someone who makes bad decisions is running something and decide that makes using it a higher risk for you. Sometimes you don…

People who make social decisions you don't like don't always make technical decisions you don't like. I can't stand JWZ, but XScreenSaver is a good piece of software. I wouldn't trust him in any part of government, but I would run XScreenSaver on my computer.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by MarsIronPI »

FireInsight wrote: post #61
Markoff wrote: post #57

For anyone looking for Android alternative: Cromite - Chromium, MV2 extensions, good new tab page with 4x4 shortcuts (2x4 pinnable) with direct access to bookmarks https://github.com/uazo/cromite/releases Ultimatum - Chromium, MV2 extensions, not so good new tab page similar to original Chrome with only like 4 shortcuts without swiping, limitec customization, no password manager AFAIR https://github.com/gonzazoid/Ult…

Android Firefox versions that are geat as well - [Ironfox]( https://github.com/ironfox-oss/IronFox ): Hardened - [Fennec]( https://f-droid.org/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/ ): Fully FOSS

Oh, I've always used Fennec; does the main Firefox Android build not support extensions?

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by brycewray »

crazygringo wrote: post #161
michaelt wrote: post #135

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> What exactly is your gripe with MV3? Running an adblocker is the defining feature of the extensions API. ublock origin has 5x as many users as the second-most-popular extension [1] Supporting ublock isn't just a nice-to-have add-on feature for an extension API, it's literally the only thing most users care about. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/search/?promoted=re...

But MV3 supports uBlock Origin Lite. Which, in my experience, blocks ads just as well, but also lets pages load significantly faster. MV3 supports uBlock.

Just as one example: Chrome + uBOL on Reddit will show you plenty of "Sponsored" stuff. You can use Inspector to find the offending CSS classes and then use `display: none` on them with something like Stylus[0], but not everybody wants to play that whack-a-mole game on the many sites that push uBOL past its blocking capabilities.

[0]: https://github.com/openstyles/stylus

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by MarsIronPI »

Timon3 wrote: post #177
rpdillon wrote: post #163

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Indeed. I wonder if the folks rejecting Brave have also vetted the political beliefs of everyone that delivers their packages, manufactured their phone, and grown their food. The injection of politics into absolutely everything is so arbitrary and harmful.

Why should they have to vet everyone? If I learn that the people who deliver my packages, manufacture my phones, or grow my food support practices that I deem fundamentally harmful to society, I change my behavior accordingly. Where does this weird idea come from that I have to vet literally everyone for my rejection of Brave to be valid? > The injection of politics into absolutely everything is so arbitrary and harm…

What technical difference do the social opinions of the people who write your software make? Genuinely curious.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by ragall »

lxgr wrote: post #94
evilpie wrote: post #79

> The Firefox team is experimenting with ways to improve the built-in Enhanced Tracking Protection feature in Firefox. This is one of the libraries we're going to experiment with. > - We are not, and have no plans to abandon MV2 extensions. This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox. > - Firefox supports several ad-blockers as add-ons on Desktop and Android, includin…

> This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox. Oof, so even people that should really know better are now equating MV3 with "no more ad blocking"? I think at this point the entire thing just needs to be renamed. (Only Chrome removed the request blocking API from their MV3 implementation; Firefox did not.)

"This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox" clearly means that MV3 makes ad blocking worse, not entirely disabled. How can you get "no more ad blocking" out of that ?

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by ragall »

crazygringo wrote: post #161
michaelt wrote: post #135

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> What exactly is your gripe with MV3? Running an adblocker is the defining feature of the extensions API. ublock origin has 5x as many users as the second-most-popular extension [1] Supporting ublock isn't just a nice-to-have add-on feature for an extension API, it's literally the only thing most users care about. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/search/?promoted=re...

But MV3 supports uBlock Origin Lite. Which, in my experience, blocks ads just as well, but also lets pages load significantly faster. MV3 supports uBlock.

Most definitely not as well.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by Timon3 »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #185
Timon3 wrote: post #177

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Why should they have to vet everyone? If I learn that the people who deliver my packages, manufacture my phones, or grow my food support practices that I deem fundamentally harmful to society, I change my behavior accordingly. Where does this weird idea come from that I have to vet literally everyone for my rejection of Brave to be valid? > The injection of politics into absolutely everything is so arbitrary and harm…

What technical difference do the social opinions of the people who write your software make? Genuinely curious.

What exactly is a "technical difference", and why is only that relevant? I am more than my interactions with software and companies, just like every other human. Why should I focus on an arbitrary subset of factors when making decisions?

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by ragall »

lxgr wrote: post #87
charleslmunger wrote: post #8

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>Maintaining both MV2 & MV3 support isn’t easily sustainable long term when you factor in the need to prioritize other features. There is no feature Firefox provides that is more differentiating than ublock origin. As long as pages load and security issues are patched it is the reason to choose Firefox as a browser. What would they prioritize over it?

And there's nothing in MV2 that uBlock Origin needs that doesn't exist in MV3 on Firefox, unlike Chrome. This issue is completely overblown.

That's utter bullshit. The author of uBlock Origin has posted a long list of capabilities that declarativeNetRequest does not support.
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