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Re: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans

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Go to the pricing page: https://claude.com/pricing

As of right now, it says Pro includes Code and Cowork. (At least, for me. There could always be A/B testing going on.)

There is A/B testing going on and for a while several pages on Anthropic's site did remove Code from pro (https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1srzhd7/psa_claud...) if you want a lot more details.

Re: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans

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I really dislike these AI middleman plans. The value-add that Microsoft brings to Github Copilot is near zero compared to directly buying from Anthropic or OpenAI, where 99% of the value is being delivered from. I don't understand why anyone would want to deal with Microsoft as a vendor if they don't have to. The short period of discounted usage was always the obvious rug pull.

1. They heavily subsidized their plans vs. paying for API. 2. They allowed me to use the subscription in every tool I wanted. 3. It covered both Anthropic and OpenAI.

Re: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans

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post #54

I really dislike these AI middleman plans. The value-add that Microsoft brings to Github Copilot is near zero compared to directly buying from Anthropic or OpenAI, where 99% of the value is being delivered from. I don't understand why anyone would want to deal with Microsoft as a vendor if they don't have to. The short period of discounted usage was always the obvious rug pull.

> if they don't have to.

That's the only reason.

In many enterprises you'd need to be very lucky to get an approval for any service that doesn't come from MS.

Re: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans

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I have a GitHub Pro subscription, renewed for the 2nd year, and I just found out I can no longer use Opus with it. Opus was one of the reasons I had a subscription in the first place. Opus 4.6 had a 3x multiplier in Pro. Now the new Opus 4.7 model has 7.5x in Pro+, which offers 5x more requests, but costs 4x more than Pro. So now Opus is essentially 2x the price it used to be. It’s likely that Sonnet 4.7 will be the…

Reading the comments here drives home an industry wide problem with these tools: people are just using the latest and most expensive models because they can , and because they’re cargo-culting. This is perhaps the first time that software has had this kind of problem, and coders are not exactly demonstrating great discretionary decision making. I’ve been using Anthropic models exclusively for the last month on a larg…

> coders are not exactly demonstrating great discretionary decision making.

From a business perspective, why would I start thinking about which model to use, when I could cheaply always use the best model?

Re: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans

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Reading the comments here drives home an industry wide problem with these tools: people are just using the latest and most expensive models because they can , and because they’re cargo-culting. This is perhaps the first time that software has had this kind of problem, and coders are not exactly demonstrating great discretionary decision making. I’ve been using Anthropic models exclusively for the last month on a larg…

AI should decide the level of model needed, and fallback if it fails. It mostly is a UX problem. Why do I need to specify the level of model beforehand? Many problems don't allow decision pre-implementation.

At the current cost, I just use the best model all the time. Why wouldn't I?

Re: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans

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post #70

I have a GitHub Pro subscription, renewed for the 2nd year, and I just found out I can no longer use Opus with it. Opus was one of the reasons I had a subscription in the first place. Opus 4.6 had a 3x multiplier in Pro. Now the new Opus 4.7 model has 7.5x in Pro+, which offers 5x more requests, but costs 4x more than Pro. So now Opus is essentially 2x the price it used to be. It’s likely that Sonnet 4.7 will be the…

Reading the comments here drives home an industry wide problem with these tools: people are just using the latest and most expensive models because they can , and because they’re cargo-culting. This is perhaps the first time that software has had this kind of problem, and coders are not exactly demonstrating great discretionary decision making. I’ve been using Anthropic models exclusively for the last month on a larg…

Of course you don't NEED the better models, but figuring out what model you need can waste a lot of time and effort. Even when a cheap model is capable of a task it needs a lot more guidance than a more expensive one. They are also less reliable. You can waste a lot of time cleaning up after them. Judging whether something is good enough is hard work and rerolling with a more expensive model is painful. Judging the difficulty of a task ahead of time is very hard. Judging how good a model is for a given task even harder, especially when models and harnesses keep changing all the time. The real productivity boost LLMs provide is already modest and when you start tinkering with models it can easily evaporate.

Re: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans

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post #101
post #70

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Reading the comments here drives home an industry wide problem with these tools: people are just using the latest and most expensive models because they can , and because they’re cargo-culting. This is perhaps the first time that software has had this kind of problem, and coders are not exactly demonstrating great discretionary decision making. I’ve been using Anthropic models exclusively for the last month on a larg…

AI should decide the level of model needed, and fallback if it fails. It mostly is a UX problem. Why do I need to specify the level of model beforehand? Many problems don't allow decision pre-implementation.

Because judging failure is itself a complex task requiring a potentially expensive model.

Re: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans

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post #54

I really dislike these AI middleman plans. The value-add that Microsoft brings to Github Copilot is near zero compared to directly buying from Anthropic or OpenAI, where 99% of the value is being delivered from. I don't understand why anyone would want to deal with Microsoft as a vendor if they don't have to. The short period of discounted usage was always the obvious rug pull.

> I don't understand why anyone would want to deal with Microsoft as a vendor if they don't have to. It can bill to our Azure sub and I don't have to go through the internal bureaucracy of purchasing a new product/service from a new vendor.

It’s got pretty good integration into vscode and you can bypass key anyway

Re: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans

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post #73
post #70

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Reading the comments here drives home an industry wide problem with these tools: people are just using the latest and most expensive models because they can , and because they’re cargo-culting. This is perhaps the first time that software has had this kind of problem, and coders are not exactly demonstrating great discretionary decision making. I’ve been using Anthropic models exclusively for the last month on a larg…

> Most of the time, Haiku is fine. Haiku is most definitely not fine for the code bases that I work on. Sonnet is probably fine for most daily tasks, but Opus is still needed to find that pesky bug you've been chasing, or to thoroughly review your PR.

Most of the people using these models aren't skilled enough to make that determination. Seems rough trying to sell yourself as the thing that means you don't need to understand what you're doing but also insist that you understand what you're doing well enough to select an appropriate model.

Re: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans

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Someone else in another thread mentioned OpenCode, which looks neat at £10/mo: https://opencode.ai/go

Ah good catch. I like their CLI too. Though sometimes it feels like they take security a bit too loosely

they don't restrict you to using their opencode agent, you can use go in any other agent
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