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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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How does it erase any doubt? You’re implying Chinese things can’t be actually cheaper to produce than American which is laughable

Most of those inference providers are American, and China is actually at a disadvantage here because of export restrictions - US companies are using newer and more efficient chips.

If it’s newer and efficient then why is the api more expensive?

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

#182

I pray the benchmark figures are true so I can stop paying Anthropic after screwing me over this quarter by dumbing down their models, making usage quotas ridiculously small, and demanding KYC paperwork.

Codex has a lot better limits, and 5.5 will be out soon

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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This is not in antithesis. My limited personal experience is that I wrote code under OSS licenses primarily because of my past communist believes and current left-wing and redistribution of wealth point of view. This is not to provide the simple equation of: communist China is not interested in money, but also is hard to believe that there is no cultural connection among those things. Single Chine persons want to win…

The strings attached by the US to deep partnerships are things like trade/commerce, militarily mutual advantages (bases on euro soil from which we will help protect you), not to mention the close cultural and ancestral ties we share. The strings attached by the Chinese govt to deep partnerships are not so benign.

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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Am I being paranoid in questioning whether the CPC would have something to gain by monitoring coding sessions with Chinese coding AI models? Coding models receive snippets of our intellectual property all day long. It's a bit of a gold mine, no?

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Am I being paranoid in questioning whether the CPC would have something to gain by monitoring coding sessions with Chinese coding AI models? Coding models receive snippets of our intellectual property all day long. It's a bit of a gold mine, no?

I think you should worry more about NSA, FBI, ICE and other 3 letter US agencies monitoring your sessions

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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what makes you think that china ever gave up its communist goals? I personally see that everything they do aims towards that goal. From the one child policy, the huge amounts of empty apartments they build, the stuff they produce for almost free, the fishing.. open sourcing the models perfectly fits that culture too, it's the means of production

The one-child policy died a long time ago. Also, the accumulation of wealth by connected politicians and businesspeople flies in the face of what communism is supposed to stand for. There is a reason real estate values in popular cities has skyrocketed, and it’s not due to the locals getting wealthier. It’s where Chinese and other oligarchs put their ill-gotten wealth (well, besides Bitcoin).

> The one-child policy died a long time ago.

true, but as far as I understand it did because birth rates got too low. so they replaced it with a two-child policy and later with a three-child policy

> Also, the accumulation of wealth by connected politicians and businesspeople flies in the face of what communism is supposed to stand for.

Yeah, I am sure there's a lot of cases for that. But as far as I know the amount of billionaires has started declining in China, and I don't see how that means that they as a country moved away from the goal, it just means there's issues

> There is a reason real estate values in popular cities has skyrocketed, and it’s not due to the locals getting wealthier.

I don't know about that, you could be right. A google search for real estate prices in china reveal a lot of news articles how they are going down though.

> It’s where Chinese and other oligarchs put their ill-gotten wealth (well, besides Bitcoin).

Wouldn't be surprised if rich people in china invest in real estate. They don't have free capital flow, so its not easy to invest abroad and it becomes an obvious choice. Bitcoin is banned in China for that reason too

But again, as far as I know that does not mean the country moved their goals of trying to reach communism one day

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

#188

There is some humor in the fact that china (of all countries) is pioneering possibly the world's most important tech via open source, while we (US) are doing the exact opposite.

Not entirely true. Google released Gemma 4 models recently. Allen AI releases open Olmo models. However, you're right that the Chinese open models seem to be much better than others - Qwen 3.* models especially are punching above their weights.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Am I being paranoid in questioning whether the CPC would have something to gain by monitoring coding sessions with Chinese coding AI models? Coding models receive snippets of our intellectual property all day long. It's a bit of a gold mine, no?

Are there any protections from industrial espionage when using Anthropic, Cursor, Gemini, or OpenAI?

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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I wonder if there's a strategy behind all of this on China's side. I know the CCP uses a direct hand in many affairs in China, but is there an actual coordinated effort to compete with, or sabotage the West?

Hypothesizing here, but maybe the idea is sort of a form of technological/economic warfare? Releasing performance equivalent yet more cost efficient open weight models should in theory drive the cost of inference down everywhere. This I assume will make it more difficult for US AI labs to turn a profit, which might make investors question their sky high valuations. Any sort of melt down in the AI sector would almost…

Why compete when you can build on each other. Someone is finally getting that china is not capitalist like the US.
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