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Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by kranke155 »

maplethorpe wrote: post #160
chromacity wrote: post #24

Every time I see one of these HN threads, I am actually amazed with what Adobe was able to pull off. I'm not surprised that they could do this to pros who were used to a particular workflow. In fact, for some businesses, a subscription may have some benefits. You were probably upgrading regularly anyway, and the only downside is that it's an expense you can't cut back on in a lean year. But there are so many hobbyist…

There isn't really a good alternative for After Effects, despite its flaws. There are other motion graphics tools, but they're usually missing enough functionality that you eventually go crawling back to Adobe. Now that software development is apparently solved, can someone please build a GPU-accelerated version of After Effects? Every motion designer in the world would make the switch over night.

Maxon literally just launched one last week.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by II2II »

socalgal2 wrote: post #75
II2II wrote: post #47

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If you can afford it, that is wonderful. For those who either cannot afford it or who don't need its features, then be happy that the competition is stepping up. They get the software they need. You get the software you need. I've never really understood why people insist that there can be only one or two products per software category, particularly when the category has a large enough customer base to support multip…

no one is insisting there are can only be one or two products per category. Rahter, at some point in your life, $120 a year is not that much. It's $10 a month, that's two coffees, A MONTH! I bought Affinity Photo at one point, when it was $50. Then I tried to use it for a work project where I needed to do a minor edit to 150 photos. I figured out how to do it but it's workflow was tedious. At 3 mins per photo it woul…

> no one is insisting there are can only be one or two products per category.

Then maybe people are trying to convince themselves. All that I can really say is that a lot of people pipe up to defend the titans when alternatives are suggested.

> at some point in your life, $120 a year is not that much. It's $10 a month

For some people $10 is nothing. For other people, it is significant. Even for those who can afford $10/month, all of those fees add up when you consider all of the software someone may want to use.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by nradov »

ktallett wrote: post #179
nradov wrote: post #87

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OK so just always do it right the first time and never make mistakes. Also, get lucky. Got it.

Many creative pursuits are based on time put in. Giving yourself more opportunities to get a shot helps. You will make mistakes, you will miss shots, you will take shots that could of been better, but for me that makes those photos that I have taken that I do think are spot on that much more enjoyable.

That's easy for you to say. Most of my photography is underwater where we are inherently very limited on time. On deeper tech dives we might only get 20 minutes of bottom time, and I can only be shooting for part of that.

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Post by DroneBetter »

newsclues wrote: post #83
nradov wrote: post #51

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You're not wrong, but students often have to spend more than $300 per semester (not year) just on textbooks.

Oh no books cost money. Have you seen how much tuition is? To be in an old classroom and learn decades old math and English? It's almost like I could drop out, work on campus and read books at the library for free. I just wasn't Good Looking Will Hunting.

age doesn't inherently make math less useful, and the parts it does affect it does non-uniformly.

i have undergone an undergrad differential equations module that taught exclusively ad-hoc methods for certain families of equation that no working mathematician needs to know since they were all subsumed into and superseded by computer algebra systems, but the subject i would enjoy replacing it with (generating functions) is similarly old in origin (perhaps even earlier, since Euler used most of the techniques that an undergrad class would cover before diffeqs were considered an object of study) but has happened to become more useful with the advent of CASes instead of less.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by miladyincontrol »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #63
CWuestefeld wrote: post #22

We all love to hate on Adobe. But as a photographer my primary software tool is Lightroom. And I continue to use it despite its $120/year price and less-than-stellar cataloging subsystem because its photo editing features (it's primary mission) still exceed the capabilities of its competitors. I don't see anyone else here talking about the huge strides that Adobe has taken in the past few years with their masking too…

Agreed. Lightroom is still a great package. The alternatives are either way less powerful, hard to use (looking at darktable), or cost even more (like Capture One). The AI masking in Lightroom is fantastic. There is almost no need for Photoshop anymore.

Their denoise algo as well, while there are some that can do a heavier reconstruction Adobe's seems to have a good balance for still looking relatively natural and not trying too hard to generate missing detail. I've seen some like DxO's just invent new text and faces on people.

I do wish Adobe would focus a bit more on the non-ML masking, give us saturation masking, let us expand or feather masks, etc.

It is nice to at least see some options like RapidRaw try their hand at AI/ML masking, and hopefully darktable's attempts in newer versions end up fruitful.

Adobe's camera support is still rather appreciated on my end as well, you're rather pressed to find a device or lens they dont have support for. I've been working on my own personal raw developer lately and while I'm very thankful for projects like lensfun, wont pretend I didnt have to borrow a number of corrections profiles from Adobe's files.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

nradov wrote: post #87
kjkjadksj wrote: post #67

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A lot of pulitzer prize winners are straight out of a canon 5d jpegs. It’s about composition and using light well. Same as it has always been.

OK so just always do it right the first time and never make mistakes. Also, get lucky. Got it.

Most of those shots are technically imperfect. Sometimes that adds a lot of impact to the image. Well composed though.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/apr/08/reuters.pressa...

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Post by [deleted] »

nradov wrote: post #106
datadrivenangel wrote: post #99

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Being at the right place at the right time is more important than your equipment 80% of the time. Predict the composition and lighting and you don't need to do anywhere near as much editing.

Ha ha good luck doing that reliably with wide-angle underwater photography. You're always moving around, conditions are constantly changing, and wildlife is inherently unpredictable.

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Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by kjkjadksj »

nradov wrote: post #106
datadrivenangel wrote: post #99

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Being at the right place at the right time is more important than your equipment 80% of the time. Predict the composition and lighting and you don't need to do anywhere near as much editing.

Ha ha good luck doing that reliably with wide-angle underwater photography. You're always moving around, conditions are constantly changing, and wildlife is inherently unpredictable.

That is probably a good part of the excitement in wildlife photography. Some people camp for years waiting for a shot of a snow leopard, well the pros on contract at least.

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Post by prewett »

chromacity wrote: post #88
socalgal2 wrote: post #78

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It boggles the mind how many people will go and use an inferior solution to avoid spending the price of 2 coffees a month.

I think that's a goofy take. It's two coffees everywhere . Every other software vendor is trying to move to the subscription model. If you add up all the licenses you need to do work, have hobbies, or procrastinate (Netflix, Spotify, etc), is it still two coffees a month? I know many folks who make $500k+ a year in the SF Bay Area and complain about affordability, and to a large extent, it's stuff like that that make…

If "make $500k+/year" means $200k in cash and the rest in options, their cash flow situation might be more strained than their paper net worth suggests. Also, high income does not necessarily correlate with frugality. Or they may be spending it on private schools for two kids. And people complain about prices, but that does not necessarily mean that it really affects them, or even that they think it materially affects them. Being nickled and dimed for software all the time is just as annoying if you are Warren Buffet or just graduated, and both with kvetch about it. Warren could gift me 100 A-shares, and I'd still kvetch about subscription prices (while knowing full-well it would have no material effect).

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by lylo »

FireBeyond wrote: post #141
CWuestefeld wrote: post #22

We all love to hate on Adobe. But as a photographer my primary software tool is Lightroom. And I continue to use it despite its $120/year price and less-than-stellar cataloging subsystem because its photo editing features (it's primary mission) still exceed the capabilities of its competitors. I don't see anyone else here talking about the huge strides that Adobe has taken in the past few years with their masking too…

How are you paying $120/year for the Photography bundle? It's been $20/mo for at least a year now, I think. $30/mo if you're going truly month-to-month.

You can call/chat to them and get a discounted annual plan. Also, there's usually a 50% off black friday deal you can buy on Amazon. Seems weird to buy a subscription discount on Amazon, but you can and it emails you a code that you can use. So I have the 1TB Lightroom Cloud sub for £60/year. Complete bargain.
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