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Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by 0x38B »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #67
nradov wrote: post #52

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How?

A lot of pulitzer prize winners are straight out of a canon 5d jpegs. It’s about composition and using light well. Same as it has always been.

To quote Henri Cartier-Bresson:

“Composition must be one of our constant preoccupations, but at the moment of shooting it can stem only from our intuition, for we are out to capture the fugitive moment, and all the interrelationships involved are on the move. In applying the Golden Rule, the only pair of compasses at the photographer's disposal is his own pair of eyes. [...]

If you start cutting or cropping a good photograph, it means death to the geometrically correct interplay of proportions. Besides, it very rarely happens that a photograph which was feebly composed can be saved by reconstruction of its composition under the darkroom's enlarger; the integrity of vision is no longer there. There is a lot of talk about camera angles; but the only valid angles in existence are the angles of the geometry of composition and not the ones fabricated by the photographer who falls flat on his stomach or performs other antics to procure his effects.” (“The Mind’s Eye” p34, 1999 Aperture ed.)

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by vladvasiliu »

dmbche wrote: post #137
vladvasiliu wrote: post #135

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Yeah, I saw the thread on HN the other day, and was genuinely intrigued. But according to the reviews I’ve seen, the workflow is fairly different. I have 0 experience editing video, so picking up a tool with a completely different approach isn’t exactly appealing, but maybe I’m missing something.

I'm biased as I have been editing video (including color, exposition, curves and luts) with Resolve for a while (and have edited pictures in their color editor before because I really like their workflow), but for what it's worth I would give it maybe one (1) hour of trying out yourself, you might be very pleased ( or you're welcome to curse me for wasting an hour of your time). If you are pleased indeed, you might j…

Just downloaded it to take it for a spin. First off, it doesn't support Olympus raw files, but, fortunately, I had some DNG lying around, which did work. However, it expects to pick from a list of raw formats. All seem to work, but it's not immediately clear what the difference is.

The settings are a bit daunting at first; some are what you expect in a regular photo editor, and others are... weird for me. Like, what's "lift" and where are my white and black sliders?

Color tools seem to be interesting, but there seem to be multiple places where you select color spaces, and all defaults seem to be video-centric (which I guess isn't unexpected, but it just means you have to know to go hunt for them). There's also a dedicated "color" page, which I think is what all the fuss is about, but if I switch to it, my photo disappears and I'm presented with a video timeline...

I also haven't found any trace of masking, and noise reduction seems to be a paid feature, so in my case the free version wouldn't do...

All in all, I want to like it, especially since it runs on Linux, and will probably continue to check it out from time to time, even though I'd have to convert the raws to dngs beforehand.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by petepete »

FireBeyond wrote: post #143
petepete wrote: post #100

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Capture One might cost more, but it's a one off payment. I'm still happily using CO11 (8 or 9 years old?) and if it was good enough for professional use when it came out, it's more than enough for me now.

... until you get a new camera and their support for new RAW formats on CO11 is just not there.

I'll worry about that when it happens, but I'm more than happy with my D500/D850 for the foreseeable future.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by petepete »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #147
FireBeyond wrote: post #143

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... until you get a new camera and their support for new RAW formats on CO11 is just not there.

That's super annoying that you often need a new version just because you got a new camera

You don't 'often' need a new version, if you bought Pro today it'd work with all current gen cameras from the major manufacturers, and probably get updates for a couple of years.

I understand that Capture One aren't going to support old software for decades, and I'm fine with that.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by rswail »

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #96
socalgal2 wrote: post #75

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no one is insisting there are can only be one or two products per category. Rahter, at some point in your life, $120 a year is not that much. It's $10 a month, that's two coffees, A MONTH! I bought Affinity Photo at one point, when it was $50. Then I tried to use it for a work project where I needed to do a minor edit to 150 photos. I figured out how to do it but it's workflow was tedious. At 3 mins per photo it woul…

I don't pay for $5 coffee. I make my coffee at home, from my own grind, with just some half and half. Sure, I splurged and paid for maybe a $100 grinder or something, but that is being used for years, meaning the cost per cup is abysmal. It seems very odd we normalize coffee being $5.

Speaking from Australia (Melbourne, where coffee is a religion), I get a freshly brewed, freshly ground, "dialed in" every morning, double espresso from a barista that has qualifications to understand the best roast and best grind for the coffee.

AUD6 (USD4.50) is not a lot for all of that.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by qrobit »

Calavar wrote: post #21
bensyverson wrote: post #13

For a long time, "pro" software was able to retain its price premium, even while consumer apps essentially all became free. But two things are happening: First, competitors are realizing pro software can be a "loss leader" for a different offer (see: Blackmagic Resolve, Canva's Affinity suite). Second, AI is making it possible to create open source alternatives that are very full-featured. Blender is a pre-AI example…

> we're seeing an explosion of brand-new high-polish OSS apps this year Do you mind sharing a few examples?

I personally like marimo[^1], the developers rely heavily on AI tools afaict

[^1]: https://github.com/marimo-team/marimo

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by remus »

boltzmann64 wrote: post #167
nehal3m wrote: post #6

http://archive.today/WCDgq It’s so insidious to sell yearly subscriptions that you pay for monthly. I want to pay by the month precisely because I decide on a monthly basis whether I need a service. If you want out early with Adobe you have to cough up half of the remaining subscription time. For hobby photography do yourself a favor and skip this dark pattern peddler. I’ll pour one out for the pro’s.

how is this a dark pattern? say that you bought a subscription of new york times for a year and put it on monthly installment. can you bail out of paying the credit card company after six months? only here, both the product and credit card company is adobe. in fact adobe is being generous by letting you "cough up" only a half the fee where your credit card company wouldn't. at this rate all credit companies are "dark…

The dark pattern is how it was presented. It wasn't "your total is X, split it in 12 monthly payments" it was a yearly contract disguised as a monthly contract.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by ktallett »

nradov wrote: post #87
kjkjadksj wrote: post #67

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A lot of pulitzer prize winners are straight out of a canon 5d jpegs. It’s about composition and using light well. Same as it has always been.

OK so just always do it right the first time and never make mistakes. Also, get lucky. Got it.

Many creative pursuits are based on time put in. Giving yourself more opportunities to get a shot helps. You will make mistakes, you will miss shots, you will take shots that could of been better, but for me that makes those photos that I have taken that I do think are spot on that much more enjoyable.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by ktallett »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #146
kjkjadksj wrote: post #73

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What is confusing? A well exposed shot shouldn’t need any editing really.

And a real programmer doesn't need a debugger because he gets his code right from the start... I don't think too many people manage to get a wildlife, landscape, astro, macro or night shot so well exposed that no editing is needed.

Landscape, macro, and night are very much composition and the right equipment. I agree wildlife, action, and astro photography may need some editing to some extent although I took photos of skateboarding for years and never found much need to edit. For me the tool to create the photo is the camera, past minimal editing it becomes a different medium of art, not a bad one as I love some photos that people have edited but it is a different form of art.
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