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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #100

Why does it exclude women? War is not just physical strength, but also logistics, operating vehicles, operating drones, nursing, and so on. All tasks that women are well capable of.

Starting 2026, Ukraine at least has restrictions on women leaving the country as well.

Women in the civil service, law enforcement agencies, or those registered in the military and serving under contract may face restrictions on traveling abroad, particularly for non-official purposes.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #102

It’s interesting to read the discussion here through the lens of obligations vs rights. It would seem the rights are definitely winning.

Unsurprisingly when people here engage in serious politics beyond a desire to enrich themselves, those politics tend to take on a distinctly libertarian bent. I’m not sure what else people expect though, this is a very sheltered group with relatively limited skills outside of specific technical areas. To put it another way this forum skews selfish.

I miss the days when hackerdom reliably skewed selfish instead of fascist.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #112

I remember people in Germany who had to go underground to evade the draft, even as recently as the early 2000s. Here's a story from 2002 about how the supreme court there upheld the legality of a military draft: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-apr-11-mn-37321... anyway, if you refused to be drafted and did not want to go to jail, you had to more-or-less stop using any government services, rent with roomm…

I'm not sure how credible it is, conscientious objection is literally in the German constitution: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h...

On the contrary, it says that even if you object, they can force you into "alternative service" without the use of arms. So they make you a soldier without a gun, or rather - a state slave.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #149

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Trans women are not male, including biologically if you assume HRT. This is overcompensating rationality to shit on a group of people that are functionally intersex for "biological" distinction. And we're not even talking about a context where biology matters. You just wanted to vice signal. If you want to make this an SBGG criticism, I'd love to see you even get close to proving abuse beyond singular instances. Even…

Setting aside arguments over biology, avoiding getting sent to war to be blown to pieces wouldn't be a "light" reason to consider claiming gender diversity.

SBGG has an exclusion carved out for people who share this opinion (not me).

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/sbgg/__9.html

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Sorry to burst your strawman argument, but I would support the same draft mechanism for women, as it is in Norway. But sure, continue to rail against equality and feminism for no reason.

I am not railing against anyone. I am simply pointing out the fact.

It’s not a fact though. I support the draft for women. For me, that’s what feminism is. I’m sure you can point out some feminists that are only for drafting men, but that’s not what you stated, you stated a patent falsehood, dressed up as a “fact” so you could dunk on feminism.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #102

It’s interesting to read the discussion here through the lens of obligations vs rights. It would seem the rights are definitely winning.

Are you surprised that a forum full of people all-in hustle culture and the whole VC-startup grift is extremely selfish?

This is not to say that the government should get blind faith, but some notions that the collective good has any value is alien to many people here.

Libertarianism is a societal disease. "Fuck you got mine".

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #149

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I reject your accusation of transphobia. I point out that you seem to be fine with discriminating against some males but not others.

Trans women are not male, including biologically if you assume HRT. This is overcompensating rationality to shit on a group of people that are functionally intersex for "biological" distinction. And we're not even talking about a context where biology matters. You just wanted to vice signal. If you want to make this an SBGG criticism, I'd love to see you even get close to proving abuse beyond singular instances. Even…

What are the consequences of changing the marker? Does it impose legal requirements on people or is it a matter of identity alone? Just curious why people don't take it lightly. Identity is important so that will suffice as an explanation.

EDIT: I'm rate-limited on comments, so if you come back here and read this, thank you for sharing from experience.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

#189
post #83

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This comment doesn't make much sense. Are you implying German taxes are buying Russian oil and so funding the war in Ukraine? If so, that's a very partial reading of what's happened in recent years. Europe went through a huge and very painful transition away from Russian oil and gas. Germany in particular found this very difficult, but AFAICT it's mostly complete and Germany has prioritised renewables. Energy is curr…

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #156

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Most of the opposition to women in the army comes from conservatives, not from feminists. They imagine themselves injured in the trenches in need of being carried by a fellow soldier, and they conclude that women are too weak.

In measuring grips strength, which is a good proxy for general strength, 90% of females producing less force than 95% of males. In other words almost all men are stronger than almost all women.
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