i feel like moves like this make it even harder for new open-source tools to break through. there's already evidence that LLMs are biased toward established tools in their training data (you can check it here https://amplifying.ai/research/claude-code-picks). when a dominant player acquires the most popular toolchain in an ecosystem, that bias only deepens. not because of any skewing, but because the acquired tools get more usage, more documentation, more community content. getting a new project into model weights at meaningful scale is already really hard. acquisitions like this make it even harder.
Astral to Join OpenAI
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Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it ever goes bad, well I hope that that’s an impetus for new open source projects to be started — and with improvements over and lessons learned from incumbent technologies, right at the v1 of said projects.
If it goes bad? It’s too late by that point. And how is open source going to compete with billions of investment dollars?
If AI tools are as good as the CEOs claim, we should have no friction towards building multiple open source alternatives very quickly. Unless of course, they aren’t as good as they are being sold as, in which case, we have nothing to worry about.
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#183Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it ever goes bad, well I hope that that’s an impetus for new open source projects to be started — and with improvements over and lessons learned from incumbent technologies, right at the v1 of said projects.
If LLMs turn out to be such a force multiplier, the way to fight it is to ensure that there are open source LLMs.
unless they are also pirate LLMs, I don't see how any open source project could have pockets deep enough for the datacenters needed to seriously contend
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`uv agent` and `bun agent` in 3....2.....1....
Totally agree The value for Anthropic / OAI is that they have a strong interest in becoming the "default" agent. The one that you don't need to install, because it's already provided by your package manager.
I don't think this holds because we're talking about developers who know how to use a package manager, on a piece of software you have to install anyways. The friction of "uv add $other_llm_software" is too low for it to have a real impact.
I think they're more into the extra context they can build for the LLM with ruff/ty.
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being in this industry for over 20 years probably jaded me a lot, I understand that's the plan but it's almost always the plan (or publicly stated as). Only time will tell if it will not affect the ecosystem negatively, best of luck though, I really hope this time is different™.
I've been in the industry for similarly long, and I understand and sympathize with this view. All I can say is that _right now_, we're committed to maintaining our open-source tools with the same level of effort, care, and attention to detail as before. That does not change with this acquisition. No one can guarantee how motives, incentives, and decisions might change years down the line. But that's why we bake optio…
I personally get a lot of confidence in the permissive licensing (both in the current code quality, and the "backup plan" that I can keep using it in the event of an Astralnomical emergency); thank you for being open source!
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#187Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#188If I were to engage in Python development, what's the alternative to uv?
What are you having an issue with? Environments? pyenv. Dependency management? pip+requirements.
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#189Not surprised at all on this. I've been really suspicious about how hard `uv` was being pushed in 24/25.
"was being pushed" ... by whom? I think there's widespread grassroots support for it because it's a good tool.
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#190What happens when OpenAI’s burn dries up their cash?
That's where taxpayers come in a the ultimate bagholder.