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The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by coldtea »

amiantos wrote: post #51

Why is it being called dead internet theory when, as far as I can tell, what's really happening is that big centralized systems are being overrun with bots? The internet existed and was pretty great before these large centralized systems came into being. Anyone can still run a blog/website, and/or their own discourse server. There's no need to mourn for these centralized systems that largely existed only to exploit u…

>Anyone can still run a blog/website, and/or their own discourse server.

And those will also get chocked with fake bot "members" and bot comments.

Plus, if "anyone can still run a blog/website", this includes bots. AI created and operated blogs/websites, luring in people who think they're reading actual human posts.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by MeetingsBrowser »

throwaway94275 wrote: post #136
MeetingsBrowser wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might raise the initial barrier, but it assumes every user behaves appropriately. All it takes is one invited user to open the door to bots.

Blog admin sees who invited the bots and recursively kicks that account and any invited by it.

I invite myself multiple times in addition to other real humans. Then I use my duplicate accounts to invite bots.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by pixl97 »

ianbutler wrote: post #132
pixl97 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Let's build small communities of And 10 minutes later Texas demands you identify all your users age when someone posts a porn image somewhere. Facebook will gleefully laugh all the way to the court saying we need such internet ID to entrench themselves. >, in that way the internet will never die. You mean in the exact way the internet used to be... then died? I'm guessing your GenX or a Xennial, it's how we think. R…

> Attempting to move to a system that is more difficult will be very difficult for them. That doesn't make it wrong, it just might make the last 20 years a mistake.

Large scale mistakes are very difficult to fix and have entrenched groups to ensure they continue. See: Internal combustion engines, Cigarettes.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by agumonkey »

bsaul wrote: post #5

I only see two outcomes for this problem : an internet of verified identities (start by uploading your ID card). Or a paid internet, where it doesn't matter who you are, but since you're going to pay for that email or that reddit account, the probability that it's AI spam is greatly reduced. And i'm looking forward to none of them.

I wonder what would be the effect of a minuscule tax (0,01c) on network use. Could reuse addiction, abuse, create a fund to finance other things.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by TitaRusell »

empath75 wrote: post #68

Reddit in particular is overwhelmed by bots. There are small niche communities where it’s mostly people talking to people, but the vast majority of popular posts are made by bots, voted on by bots and commented on by bots. It’s not even like commercial astroturfing, it’s just karma farming and public sentiment manipulation.

Presumably advertisers still want real human eyeballs?

Or maybe we have finally accepted that our entire economy is the naked emperor.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by amiantos »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #172
amiantos wrote: post #51

Why is it being called dead internet theory when, as far as I can tell, what's really happening is that big centralized systems are being overrun with bots? The internet existed and was pretty great before these large centralized systems came into being. Anyone can still run a blog/website, and/or their own discourse server. There's no need to mourn for these centralized systems that largely existed only to exploit u…

And who is going to know your blog exists? If they search on Google they are going to get an answer from AI and stop

Who cares if anyone knows my blog exists? I'm not writing my blog to farm engagement as I do not run ads on my blog. I write on my blog because I want to write my thoughts down and project them into the world. Whether or not anyone sees them is pretty unimportant.

If my writing helps someone via them hitting my blog directly or them getting the answer via AI aggregation, mission accomplished.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by amiantos »

dylan604 wrote: post #125
amiantos wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spend all day every day on the Internet and I don't share your perspective. I might dislike centralized social media and yearn for a bygone era, but just in the past two days I had a very positive interaction with multiple real humans in the Commodore 64 subreddit that helped solve a problem I was having that isn't documented anywhere else on the internet yet. So then I went on my personal blog and blogged about it…

> So then I went on my personal blog and blogged about it, which will get it out there on Google and help others. That's some of the boldest optimism I think I've seen in awhile. Maybe your blog is more popular than I assume, but still

Traffic stats for my primary blog are public (I only started using simple analytics in December so there's only two full months of data): https://dashboard.simpleanalytics.com/amiantos.net

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by tracerbulletx »

amiantos wrote: post #51

Why is it being called dead internet theory when, as far as I can tell, what's really happening is that big centralized systems are being overrun with bots? The internet existed and was pretty great before these large centralized systems came into being. Anyone can still run a blog/website, and/or their own discourse server. There's no need to mourn for these centralized systems that largely existed only to exploit u…

Parasitic zombie internet.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by yakattak »

pndy wrote: post #38
bonesss wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A $10 one time not-an-asshole fee is totally reasonable. History also shows you can take a $10 fee and maintain quality on SomethingAwful for quite some time.

Didn't that fee allowed to change account names of other users or something like that?

You could pay another $10 (or maybe $15?) to change someone else's avatar.
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