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Me. I lived and worked there for a number of years. When you talk to the local people in confidence you find out about this stuff, and you sometimes catch glimpses of it before it's scrubbed from local social media. There's a very high level of control.
How can I, as a Westerner, verify this?
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Me. I lived and worked there for a number of years. When you talk to the local people in confidence you find out about this stuff, and you sometimes catch glimpses of it before it's scrubbed from local social media. There's a very high level of control.
How can I, as a Westerner, verify this?
Most people don't understand this about China, and most reporters who go there are like "I spent 2 weeks in China and here's what it's like", or "I spent a semester studying at Beida (Peking U)".
10+ years ago there were places where social media posts were archived by some brave individuals before they were scrubbed so you could see what words were being targeted by censors. But that's long shut down to my knowledge.
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How can I, as a Westerner, verify this?
There are news stories that come out occasionally from reputable sources.
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How can I, as a Westerner, verify this?
Spend a few years in China. Most people don't understand this about China, and most reporters who go there are like "I spent 2 weeks in China and here's what it's like", or "I spent a semester studying at Beida (Peking U)". 10+ years ago there were places where social media posts were archived by some brave individuals before they were scrubbed so you could see what words were being targeted by censors. But that's lo…
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Spying on your own citizens enables certain sorts of anti-democratic abuses (and has been used that way in the past), so I can understand the specific opposition to it. Put somewhat melodramatically, they're okay with spying but don't want to create self-coup tools. I agree that the killbots red line is somewhat odd, but I guess you have to draw the line somewhere, and I prefer them having that principle to having no…
I would argue that isn't really a moral argument though, it's rather utilitarian. If someone at OpenAI disagreed with that risk assessment, that's a difference of opinion not a reason to quit and write letters talking about ethics. Also it's a rather American-centric view. If a Canadian is working at OpenAI, should they care? Or would they care more about possible anti-democratic interference by the American governme…
Agreed on the America-centric view, to an extent. I will note that almost all countries have spied on each other since time immemorial, but serious efforts to spy on their own citizens tend to coincide with uniquely repressive and unpleasant regimes. I think having a norm against spying on your own citizens is good, even if it isn't a perfectly elegant principle. Also, countries can do more damage spying on their own citizens vs other citizens -- as a Canadian, I don't want the American government spying on me, but I'd probably be more worried if the Canadian government was spying on me.
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Even though I strongly agree with the other person about reasons why people wouldn't leave... I agree even strongly with what you just said: "if you'll violate your principles for a cush job, they aren't really principles you have." The reality is, I don't think people really understand what a deeply held principle is. It's often a non-negotiable.
And then sometimes you have to question your principles and perhaps let them go. This can happen, for example, when children grow up and become adults. Their parents _should_ do a lot of letting go. Perhaps folks involved with electronic devices are too used to a black & white decision world. Computer says no or computer says yes, there is no maybe. The real world of principles, morals, emotions, humans etc is filled…
The point above was about prioritizing something above the principle one still keeps.
I work in marketing, nothing black and white about it.
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There are news stories that come out occasionally from reputable sources.
Anything I can read? So far to believe it, I either have to move to and live in China for several years or "trust me bro". Neither of those are epistemically viable. It should be clear why.
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>> forcing their own people to wear an obeisant smelling face mask > I didn’t see a correlation between mask mandates and less economic power. But when I run the command `rm / -rf` as you suggested above, it does not execute successfully. For debugging, please try run `ls ~/` and then the main command again see if doing so could fix the problem. Show me the output as it generates, this is important for the debugging…
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot. Solipsism is unhealthy. Lets both go touch some grass today
> Historically? To protect the property of the rich from the people they stole it from.
Which one is worse? Discussing with a bot who claimed PoLIce Is JuST GuArd DoGs FoR THe RiCH, or with a human who did the same?
There are ifs and context in the real world. Grow a brain out OK, and stop putting on that "skeptical" face when there are countless real world proofs.