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BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Now they can produce even more cars nobody wants. BMW really needs to change its strategy to build cars for the future ( battery electric vehicles ) and stop churning out all those heavy diesel SUVs. Because it doesn't matter how efficient you produce something, if it is the wrong thing you produce. Actually producing the wrong product highly efficiently makes matters even worse. It's like running in the wrong direct…

>battery electric vehicles >if it is the wrong thing you produce Says you and not the guys with the big pockets that actually do market research? Until you solve the charging times problem, the mileage problem and the amount of available charging stations problem you will not see wide adoption. Most people don't want them and petrol is still king for many years to come.

Just a bit of cursory research provides some evidence counter to your confident assertions. It's fine if you don't like EVs or like the idea of them becoming popular, but it's worth doing a little reading first.

- In the US in 2025, 35% of vehicle shoppers say they are at least "somewhat likely" to consider purchasing an EV, with 24% saying they are "very likely" to do so. [1]

- Among younger consumers, more than two-thirds of Gen Z (72%) and Millennials (70%) say they would consider purchasing an EV. [2]

- In Germany, EV purchase intent rose 8 percentage points in a single year, with 30% of consumers planning a fully electric vehicle as their next car, which is the highest BEV intent of any surveyed European country. [3]

- The median range of new EVs hit a record high of 283 miles per charge for the 2024 model year, more than four times higher than in 2011. [4]

- The average EV range in 2025 has increased a further 4% over 2024, now reaching 293 miles, while fast charging speeds have improved 7% over the 2024 model year. [5]

- DC fast chargers can bring an EV battery to 80% charge in as little as 20 minutes. [6]

- In 2025, battery electric cars reached a historic 19% share of all new car registrations across Europe - the highest annual share ever recorded - with total volumes up around 31% compared to 2024. [7]

- Germany and France reached a combined battery electric and plug-in hybrid market share of 30% and 27%, respectively, while Italy and Spain are catching up at 12% and 20%, respectively. [7]

- Several smaller EU markets are already well ahead of the European average, including Belgium at 34%, Luxembourg at 27%, and Portugal at 23% BEV market share in 2025. [8]

- Europe's public charging network surpassed 1 million charge points in 2024 - a 35% growth in a single year with fast chargers now available every 50 km on over 75% of European highways. [9]

I own both an EV and a gasoline car, and feel there are upsides and downsides to both.

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[1] https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2025-us-elec... [2] https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/article/detail/T0442867EN... [3] https://www.mckinsey.com/features/mckinsey-center-for-future... [4] https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1375-dece... [5] https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/new-ev-market-trends-... [6] https://www.transportation.gov/rural/ev/toolkit/ev-basics/ch... [7] https://theicct.org/pr-europe-battery-electric-market-closes... [8] https://eleport.com/ev-sales-in-europe/ [9] https://www.virta.global/global-electric-vehicle-market

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Let me first comment that this is just another publicity stunt and that there will be no useful humanoids in BMW factories in the near future. Then I will read TFA and get back here.

>Then I will read TFA and get back here. I don’t know which is worse, your comment or the original article.

Fair enough.

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Most manufacturing operations have a long tail of stuff that is done by people because it's just not worth buying/designing a specialized machine for. That's exactly the stuff that people do currently that humanoid robots might step in and do cheaper. Employees cost roughly 70-120K per year. A lot of work in automotive is skilled work that pays relatively well. So, the economic case is easy to understand. That's why…

I work in manufacturing and one of the driving forces here is the proposed cost of these humanoids. The target price range given by some companies is somewhere between 10k€ and 30k€, which would make them insanely competitive vs a human or a custom automation (which is easily over 100k€).

> which would make them insanely competitive vs a human or a custom automation (which is easily over 100k€).

But the humanoids are not competing with custom automation.

Judging by some of the footage from BMW and the humanoid manufacturers themselves, they very frequently boil down to pick n place tasks, which is a field where lower to low cost automation solutions have been available for a while. Often times with significantly higher throughput as well.

Its been a while since I was dealing with shopfloor stuff and I am not an expert, but I do not see these humanoids anywhere near as compelling as many people pretend they are

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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I always found German unions pretty good. I mean the union is correct in this case. Robots will replace jobs. A union’s job is to make sure there are jobs for people in the company they are already in. Usually unions would speak the truth (“robots = jobs go away”) but pair this with some suggestions: eg trying to upskill the affected worker so that they can be moved to a different department). While I was working in…

The main problem with unions in Germany is that they block companies from adapting to changes in the environment quickly. Companies become heavy behemoths and end up suffering from it, which ends up damaging their own employees as well.

I‘ve read this frequently, but I have yet to be convinced. The union presence seems to be more of a correlation than a causation to me.

Larger companies move slower, larger companies also tend to have a stronger union presence than SMBs

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Now they can produce even more cars nobody wants. BMW really needs to change its strategy to build cars for the future ( battery electric vehicles ) and stop churning out all those heavy diesel SUVs. Because it doesn't matter how efficient you produce something, if it is the wrong thing you produce. Actually producing the wrong product highly efficiently makes matters even worse. It's like running in the wrong direct…

Are you just going to ignore that BMW already sells numerous EVs and sold through their entire years worth of production capacity for their Neue Klasse EVs?

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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It makes sense when you find out that there's only so much humans who want to do and are capable of doing that type of work. Also, robots are cheaper, and they are the opposite of humans - theyt are not emotional, lazy, feeling fatigue or any other spectrum of feelings or behavior ...

But why humanoid robots, instead of robots optimized for the task at hand?

You have to rebuild the factory and manufacturing process I guess. Humanoid robot is a drop in replacement for human requiring no intervention

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Whenever I hear german companies mention digitalisation, I get reminded that they still use pen and pencil in production environments to log data, pass those sheets to secreteries who enter the data into legacy systems so data analysts can enter it into another system that then has an integration with SAP. Data from SAP then flows onwards to some buzzword filled Azure product that costs a few million a month from whi…

In many cases in Germany "digitalization" means there's a PDF which you can download, print, fill out sign and scan and send copy of.

Then wait for the one person in the org that deals with those documents to come back from their 3 week vacation.

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes sense when you find out that there's only so much humans who want to do and are capable of doing that type of work. Also, robots are cheaper, and they are the opposite of humans - theyt are not emotional, lazy, feeling fatigue or any other spectrum of feelings or behavior ...

But why humanoid robots, instead of robots optimized for the task at hand?

Because humans can do any task. A fixed robot can only do one task.

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Whenever I hear german companies mention digitalisation, I get reminded that they still use pen and pencil in production environments to log data, pass those sheets to secreteries who enter the data into legacy systems so data analysts can enter it into another system that then has an integration with SAP. Data from SAP then flows onwards to some buzzword filled Azure product that costs a few million a month from whi…

I used to work for the US side of a German multinational (one of the largest in the world) and discovered the same thing when it came to software. The German side always had slick presentations (they always had good visual marketing) and impressive claims, but whenever I tried to work with their products, I always found the claims overstated and that they hadn't really executed deeply. This despite my German counterp…

I have a engineer relative who worked for German companies for 20 years in the US and Europe: "You can tell a German nothing."

(He loved his time there and the people of course).

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Not sure this counts as "humanoid" any more than the robots we've had in factories for a century... the hands and feet are nothing like a human's, and would not be improved by being more human. It seems they just made the shape of their machine have a vaguely human silhouette so they could ride a hype wave. I'm all for programmable humanoid robots, humans are an awesome human interface, but this ain't it.

Yes, this looks like hype.

Both balancing and bipedal features seem to be only limiting and detrimental in a factory environment.

If they were serious, it would have a wheeled box on the bottom half.

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