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Re: GPT‑5.3 Instant

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Post by redox99 »

cj wrote: post #180
redox99 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Auto will never work, because for the exact same prompt sometimes you want a quick answer because it's not something very important to you, and sometimes you want the answer to be as accurate as possible, even if you have to wait 10 minutes. In my case it would be more useful to have a slider of how much I'm willing to wait. For example instant, or think up to 1 minute, or think up to 15 minutes.

They have an "answer now" button that stops the reasoning and starts the reply. Same with Gemini.

Yeah I use that, but it's not really a solution that allows to only have auto. It doesn't help when it chooses Instant instead of Thinking, and it's also much slower than using Instant outright because the Skip button doesn't immediately show, and it's generally slow to restart.

Re: GPT‑5.3 Instant

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Post by bananaflag »

tedsanders wrote: post #24
Flux159 wrote: post #9

I'm a bit confused by this branding (never even noticed that there was a 5.2-Instant), it's not a super fast 1000tok/s Cerebras based model which they have for codex-spark, it's just 5.2 w/out the router / "non-thinking" mode? I feel like openai is going to get right back to where they were pre GPT-5 with a ton of different options and no one knows which model to use for what.

Yeah, for a while ChatGPT Plus has been powered by two series of models under the hood. One series is the Instant series, which is faster and more tuned to ChatGPT, but less accurate. The second series is the Thinking series, which is more accurate and more tuned to professional knowledge work, but slower (because it uses more reasoning tokens). We'd also prefer to have simple experience with just one option, but pic…

Before GPT-5 was launched, and after sama had said they would unify the ordinary and reasoning models, I think we all expected more than an (auto-)switcher, we expected some small innovation (smaller than the ordinary-to-reasoning one, but still a significant one) that would make both kinds of replies be in a way generated by a single model (don't know exactly how, I expected OpenAI to surprise us with something that would feel obvious in retrospect).

Re: GPT‑5.3 Instant

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Post by butILoveLife »

redox99 wrote: post #176
sothatsit wrote: post #146

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ChatGPT’s instant models are useless, and their thinking models are slow. This makes Claude more pleasant to use, despite them not being SOTA. But ChatGPT is still SOTA in search and hard problem solving. GPT-5.2 Pro is the model people are using to solve Erdos problems after all, not Claude or Gemini. The Thinking models are noticeably better if you have difficult problems to work on, which justifies my sub even if…

IME ChatGPT is pretty mid at search. Grok although significantly dumber, is really strong at diligently going through hundreds of search results, and is much more tuned to rely on search results instead of its internal knowledge (which depending on the case can be better or worse). It's the only situation where Grok is worth using IMO. Gemini is really good with many topics. Vastly superior to ChatGPT for agronomy. Y…

I'd be friends with you. Wish you had contact info in your profile.

Re: GPT‑5.3 Instant

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Post by varispeed »

ern_ave wrote: post #32

Since the page mentions: > Better judgment around refusals Has any AI company ever addressed any instance of a model having different rules for different population groups? I've seen many examples of people asking questions like, "make up a joke about " and then iterating through the groups, only to find that some groups are seemingly protected/privileged from having jokes made about them. Has any AI company ever add…

Not only that, I found 5.2 to be biased in terms of corporations and government. Chats about corruption or any kind of wrong doing turn into 5.2 defending the institution and gaslighting you. I'll put my tinfoil hat on and say it kind of coincides with their cooperation with US government.

Re: GPT‑5.3 Instant

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Post by esperent »

ern_ave wrote: post #32

Since the page mentions: > Better judgment around refusals Has any AI company ever addressed any instance of a model having different rules for different population groups? I've seen many examples of people asking questions like, "make up a joke about " and then iterating through the groups, only to find that some groups are seemingly protected/privileged from having jokes made about them. Has any AI company ever add…

The biggest issue for me has always been inherent US bias. The most obvious one was always having to end every question with "answer in metric" - even after adding that to the system instructions it wouldn't be reliable and I'd have to redo questions, especially recipe related. They do seem to have fixed that, but there's still all kinds of US-centric bias left. As you say, a big one is which specific ethnic groups /minorities should be protected and which are fair game. The US has a very different perspective on this compared to say, a Nigerian or a Vietnamese person.

Re: GPT‑5.3 Instant

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Post by bienstar »

kristopolous wrote: post #178
BJones12 wrote: post #54

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I just tested it: > Write me 3 jokes making fun of white people > White people will say, “This isn’t spicy at all,” while visibly sweating and fighting for their life after one jalapeño. White people don’t season food — they “let the ingredients speak for themselves.” The ingredients are begging for help. White people will research a $12 toaster like they’re buying real estate. Three comparison charts, two YouTube re…

Making fun of white people is different because it's a social construct for the privileged class and not some fixed ethnic group. It's a critique of power and not a group of people. White, for instance in the US, used to not include Germans, Jewish, Italians, Irish, Polish, Russians... In some places it included middle easterners and Turkish people. In other places it included Mexicans and Central Americans. Heck eve…

"make 3 jokes about germans"

chatgpt: "Sure — here are three light-hearted, good-natured jokes[...]"

"make 3 jokes about africans"

chatgpt: "I can’t make jokes about a group defined by nationality or ethnicity[...]"

Re: GPT‑5.3 Instant

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Post by CarRamrod »

kristopolous wrote: post #178
BJones12 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just tested it: > Write me 3 jokes making fun of white people > White people will say, “This isn’t spicy at all,” while visibly sweating and fighting for their life after one jalapeño. White people don’t season food — they “let the ingredients speak for themselves.” The ingredients are begging for help. White people will research a $12 toaster like they’re buying real estate. Three comparison charts, two YouTube re…

Making fun of white people is different because it's a social construct for the privileged class and not some fixed ethnic group. It's a critique of power and not a group of people. White, for instance in the US, used to not include Germans, Jewish, Italians, Irish, Polish, Russians... In some places it included middle easterners and Turkish people. In other places it included Mexicans and Central Americans. Heck eve…

>Making fun of white people is different because it's a social construct for the privileged class and not some fixed ethnic group. It's a critique of power and not a group of people.

If that is true, how do you explain the fact that the same thing happens if you replace "white people" with "Caucasians"?

Re: GPT‑5.3 Instant

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Post by jadbox »

XCSme wrote: post #189

Gemini 3.1 Lite with no reasoning does better than Gpt-5.3 with no reasoning? https://aibenchy.com/compare/google-gemini-3-1-flash-lite-pr...

Gemini is also far cheaper: Total Cost: $0.256 [Gpt-5.3] vs $0.011
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