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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by skeeter2020 »

Hamuko wrote: post #120
labrador wrote: post #17

Good. I'd rather not have my favorite AI from a company working on AGI to have murder and spying in it's DNA. In fact, as a patriotic American veteran, I'd be ok with Anthropic moving to Europe. It might be better for Claude and AGI, which are overriding issues for me. Rutger Bregman @rcbregman This is a huge opportunity for Europe. Welcome Anthropic with open arms. Roll out the red carpet. Visa for all employees. Eu…

I have my doubts about Anthropic wanting to pick up and move the entire company to Europe even if Ursula von der Leyen personally signed their visas. Maybe only if the government tried to nationalise their proprietary models.

doesn't the Defense Production Act essentially do that?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by cobolcomesback »

progbits wrote: post #136
easton wrote: post #24

> Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. I’m sure the lawyers just got paged, but does this mean the hyperscalers (AWS, GCP) can’t resell Claude anymore to US companies that aren’t doing business with the DoD? That’s rough.

(edit: I'm most likely wrong) You got it backwards, can't use claude if you ARE doing business with DoD. Presumably AWS/GCP don't care, its up to the end customer to comply. Not like GCP KYC asks if you work with DoD.

AWS/GCP/Azure all do business with the DoD and at least AWS and Azure use Claude a decent amount internally. AWS’s Kiro tool (which is used internally instead of Claude Code) relies entirely on Claude models.

This is almost certainly going to be rolled back, because I guarantee the DoD isn’t going to stop doing business with the hyper scalers, and the hyper scalers aren’t going to stop doing business with Anthropic.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by kapluni »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #68
johnbarron wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this the same Administration that reversed a previous block, and allowed NVIDIA to sell H200 to China?

Good thing this administration will be a lame duck in 8 months, and they know it.

a very optimistic view

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by UltraSane »

smotched wrote: post #163
UltraSane wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could the NSA use a national security letter to get a copy of a major private LLM?

a letter??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by small_model »

ks2048 wrote: post #140
small_model wrote: post #41

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I don’t know what will happen, but it still could work out to benefit Anthropic. I believe the public sentiment is OVERWHELMINGLY with Anthropic on this one. Both their stance and standing up to Trump bullies.

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by sowbug »

bnycum wrote: post #119

It's nice to see Anthropic sticking to their terms. I just have one question in all this. Why is Anthropic being singled out when it seems all the other big players are down to play with the DoD? Is this just a pissing match, or have the Anthropic models been proven the real winner for them?

It's same reason this administration recently tried to indict six Congresspersons for urging military members to resist "illegal orders." They want to demonize anyone who isn't blindly loyal to their side.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by jsheard »

labrador wrote: post #17

Good. I'd rather not have my favorite AI from a company working on AGI to have murder and spying in it's DNA. In fact, as a patriotic American veteran, I'd be ok with Anthropic moving to Europe. It might be better for Claude and AGI, which are overriding issues for me. Rutger Bregman @rcbregman This is a huge opportunity for Europe. Welcome Anthropic with open arms. Roll out the red carpet. Visa for all employees. Eu…

> Good. I'd rather not have my favorite AI from a company working on AGI to have murder and spying in it's DNA.

Anthropic made it quite clear they are cool with spying in general, just not domestic spying on Americans, and their "no killbots" pledge was asterisked with "because we don't believe the technology is reliable enough for those stakes yet". The implication being that they absolutely would do killbots once they think they can nail the execution (pun intended).

I suppose you could say they're taking the high road relative to their peers, but that's an extremely low bar.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by ctoth »

cal_dent wrote: post #133
lukewrites wrote: post #6

I admire Anthropic for sticking to their principles, even if it affects the bottom line. That’s the kind of company you want to work for.

The team that handles their PR has done an amazing job in the last 9 months

Hint: It's much easier to have good PR by being actually good. Though it does make people like this do the whole implication thing.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by kevinh »

next_xibalba wrote: post #144
Gigachad wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the crazy thing. This whole dispute was over Anthropic saying no to fully automated kill bots. They only required there be a human in the loop to press the button.

If we were able to give the Ukrainians fully automated kill bots, and those kill bots enabled Ukraine to swiftly expel the Russians from their territories, would that not be a good thing? Or would you rather the meat grinder continue to destroy Ukraine's young men to satisfy some moral purity threshold? If we could give Taiwan killbots that would ensure China could never invade, or at least could never occupy Taiwan,…

The thing about building fulling automated kill bots is then you've built fully automated kill bots.
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