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Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by giancarlostoro »

hypeatei wrote: post #179
giancarlostoro wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it distracts from the point I'm making. Our founding fathers setup this country a certain way, and along the way we left the different branches of government to assume new powers without any amendments, and now we're surprised that they're walking all over the constitution? This problem extends beyond the current administration. It will only get worse before it gets better. Remember, someone FAR WORSE can run…

> Because it distracts from the point I'm making No it doesn't. If you're saying Obama did then explaining how the things Trump is doing are related is helpful. In this case, I don't see how them going after Snowden for stealing classified info (to be clear I support what he did) is the same as DHS going after meanies on Reddit for speaking out against ICE. One is using the intelligence apparatus for a plausible nati…

Did I ever said it was helpful or are you just putting words in my mouth? When I was 18 I emptied my bank account to fly my cousins to the US from Venezuela. I was making scraps per hour at the time mind you. But by all means put words in my mouth.

All this goes back before Obama, but my point was that literally the president in charge is irrelevant, they should not have this type of power to bypass the other branches of government, neither should other branches.

Nobody remembers Bush doing anything specific the way we all here remember Lavabit. Lavabit and Snowden were very deeply discussed here on HN.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by fhdkweig »

OutOfHere wrote: post #152
PearlRiver wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait until you find out judges are appointed by the president... It is actually amazing America managed to function as well as it has been to be honest.

Yes. It's incredible that: 1. The loopholes were not exploited sooner. 2. No one cares about patching them, not before real-world identification, and not even after identification. They only keep increasing. The only saving grace has been the two term limit of the President.

In a two party system, no one wants to get rid of the loopholes. Those currently in power don't think their opponents will have the opportunity to use it, and those not in power want to use it later when they finally get to be in power.

Check out the two parties wanting the Line Item Veto thinking only their side would be able to use it yet horrified to see the other side use it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto_in_the_United_S...

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by esseph »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #59
giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

Edward Snowden had stolen the most sensitive classified secrets from The United States Intelligence Community and Donald Trump is looking to squash dissent of his attempts to nullify the Constitution and establish a dictatorship. I get what you're saying, but please have some perspective. the two things are not even remotely similar.

> I get what you're saying, but please have some perspective. the two things are not even remotely similar.

Snowden sacrificed a comfortable life, his friends, and family to tell the American people they were being lied to. He exposed things that people SHOULD HAVE gone to prison for. Snowden is a hero, period.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by esafak »

Terr_ wrote: post #175
rayiner wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to draw a distinction between the secret FISA court and administrative warrants from DHS is shaving the baloney a little thin.

Despite all its other warts, the FISA court is (A) an actual judicial-branch court (B) created by legislation and (C) the justices cannot be removed on direct Presidential whim. In contrast, "administrative warrants" are more like an executive-branch manager writing a memo, where an unscrupulous President could get them removed in a day for not writing the "right" memos.

You think fisa is the good one? They're widely recognized as rubber-stamp courts.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by esseph »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #109
monocasa wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, those sensitive secrets included secret, unconstitutional, dragnet surveillance programs targeting american citizens, and the fact that the director of national intelligence had perjured himself during congressional hearings on those programs.

Less than 1% of what Snowden took and leaked pertained to domestic surveillance programs, The rest was intelligence capabilities and sources and methods. But that's besides the point. There is a real argument that the U.S. government, in trying to catch Snowden, was protecting national security. There is no such argument with Trump.

> was protecting national security

No, it was retribution. The info was already out there when they were going after him. Even if he stayed in the US and was captured, it still wouldn't have "stopped" anything.

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Post by kahrl »

charcircuit wrote: post #115
softwaredoug wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One difference, this was in response to an actual search warrant granted by a judge. What DHS is doing are administrative warrants, with no judicial overview (unless you sue to stop them).

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE. NOPE NOPE NOPE. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by pixl97 »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #107

MAGA should oppose this, for their own sake. When Democrats sweep the floor in the midterms and then the presidency in 2028, because Trump wanted to pretend that the Epstein Files were "fake news", this will be precedent for them to send MAGA to gulags for being pro-Nazi.

Assuming Trump lets us have elections at the midterms. It's public knowledge he's been talking about stopping them or re-writing the rules so only his lackeys can win.

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Post by barbazoo »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #107

MAGA should oppose this, for their own sake. When Democrats sweep the floor in the midterms and then the presidency in 2028, because Trump wanted to pretend that the Epstein Files were "fake news", this will be precedent for them to send MAGA to gulags for being pro-Nazi.

> this will be precedent for them to send MAGA to gulags for being pro-Nazi.

I don’t get that vibe honestly but I might be in my own bubble.

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