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Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Funny how a single superbowl ad from Ring themselves was able to do in one weekend what a thousand and one anti Ring bloggers were unable to do for the past 10 years straight. This commercial and the response will probably be studied in marketing classes.

What did the ad say? I didn’t watch the Superbowl.

"With only the computational power of a small dictator led nation state, we launch a new feature that's definitely, only for dogs."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROFblZ_-9q4&t=1s

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#182
post #73

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By buying a superbowl ad?

By packing in a message that is understandble by non techies.

It won't matter because they don't care. The masses don't concern themselves with theoretical threats even when they understand them on an intellectual level, they buy the emotional argument no matter how weak it is on technical merit.

To convince them otherwise, you need to offer a more compelling emotional argument, but politicians and lobbyist already tell them that they're going to get raped and killed in the street unless they support their agenda.

So what do you do? How do you come up with an emotional argument that's more compelling than that?

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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I'd agree on /r/FlockSurveillance/ specifically, but if Reddit itself does not qualify as "mainstream", then what does? Just FANG?

Facebook alone is far more mainstream than Reddit, I would say. Thousands of times more.

Maybe ten years ago, but that's a huge exaggeration today.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#185
post #157

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And, you know, if it was actually mobilized to find lost puppies, I'd be all for that shit. But that's not what it's for. It's for helping cops find poor people, or ICE find Mexicans, or whatever bullshit is making the headlines in 4 weeks. FWIW, I don't like being a tech downer/skeptic, but every fucking thing is like this now. Every social media is being turned into surveillance. Every cloud-based application, no m…

Re: your edit... Who are you responding to?? I don't see Ring as a politics problem, I see it as a policy problem. Just because something is legal in the federated, ad hoc instance doesn't mean it is advisable to systematize.

> Re: your edit... Who are you responding to??

Preemptively, the exact sort of "BUT BIDEN BAD" horseshit occurring elsewhere in the thread. And again, yes, Biden bad. Biden is an inept old man who was far out of his depth, who failed, completely, to hold anyone accountable for the atrocity against the Republic that was January 6th. But again, he, and to be sure, the Democrats as a whole, failed that, and whilst that is true, the other side is currently ushering in the end of American global influence and they're going to make it so no American citizen will EVER be able to own ANYTHING EVER AGAIN. So I am simply not entertaining this "both sides" horseshit anymore.

Both sides DO have problems. One has distinctly WAY more fucking problems, and also, WAY more fucking power. If pointing out this obvious fucking reality makes me partisan, or biased, whatever. Partisan I am.

If I'm to be marched into a meat grinder I at least reserve the right to tell the people doing it to me they fucking suck.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#186

Stallman was right.

It's easy to be right when you live outside the boundaries of reality. E.g. he won't (didn't?) own a mobile phone, but is okay with borrowing someone else's. He won't use Wi-Fi where he has to log in but would happily borrow someone else's. It's not being right; it's shifting responsibility in exchange for his own personal convenience.

But if everyone acted like Stallman then solutions that have gone away such as public payphones would come back due to their requirement.

He doesn't give a crap if a random phone record of his appears in a random haystack, and that's kind of the point isn't it? It's the aggregated, crawlable stores that are the threat

There may be other issues with Stallman, but that behavior doesn't strike me as particularly inconsistent

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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I'd agree on /r/FlockSurveillance/ specifically, but if Reddit itself does not qualify as "mainstream", then what does? Just FANG?

Facebook alone is far more mainstream than Reddit, I would say. Thousands of times more.

We can just look at both's recent reports:

Reddit: 121 million "daily active unique users"

Source: https://investor.redditinc.com/news-events/news-releases/new...

Facebook: 3.58 billion "family daily active people"

Source: https://investor.atmeta.com/investor-news/press-release-deta...

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I'd definitely consider both "mainstream".

(I know plenty non-tech and "normal" people who use reddit.)

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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post #157

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Re: your edit... Who are you responding to?? I don't see Ring as a politics problem, I see it as a policy problem. Just because something is legal in the federated, ad hoc instance doesn't mean it is advisable to systematize.

> Re: your edit... Who are you responding to?? Preemptively, the exact sort of "BUT BIDEN BAD" horseshit occurring elsewhere in the thread. And again, yes, Biden bad. Biden is an inept old man who was far out of his depth, who failed, completely, to hold anyone accountable for the atrocity against the Republic that was January 6th. But again, he, and to be sure, the Democrats as a whole, failed that, and whilst that…

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Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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post #64

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It's called 'setting an example'. One might disagree with value of the example being set, but I'm not sure I would characterize his choices as in any way convenient for him.

It's not setting an example if you shift responsibility to someone else. Setting an example would be just doing without the things he doesn't agree with. Need to make a call but only other people's cell phones are available? Well, you don't make the call. Need wifi but no open networks are available? Well, you don't get wifi. Is this even more inconvenient than the already-inconvenient use of other people's cell phon…

It's not the _cellphone_ that Stallman has an issue with lol

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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That one image of all the camera's apparently remotely controlled to scan the entire neighbourhood is something it's difficult to unsee. The implication is obvious, the feel is inhuman. The power of a few seconds of video is why TikTok had to be brought under control ( and sadly not just because of worrying about what others might do, but to specifically censor and promote specific messages ). The issue really isn't…

>The power of a few seconds of video is why TikTok had to be brought under control Didn't USA's current regime take over TikTok in order to use it for propaganda? Twitter-X was used so successfully that they're expanding their psyops.

no, israel demanded the tiktok thing due to the backlash they are recieving for genocide and ethnic cleansing. their faithful servants in america simply did as their master commanded.
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