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Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by everfrustrated »

js3642 wrote: post #103
doublesocket wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Railway is getting so good I'm not sure what Vercel brings to the party anyway.

While I used to think Railway was an amazing service, I had a production workload get broken because they removed a feature without any depreciation period or warning. I now struggle to recommend it for anything more than a hobby project. Vercel has the benifit of being big enough they have to do things properly. For reference https://station.railway.com/questions/smtp-connection-failur...

You were too cheap to pay $20/mth for the Pro plan... That says a lot more about you than Railway.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by direwolf20 »

itsTyrion wrote: post #118
prodigycorp wrote: post #14

What would this have costed had they used render or railway? Maybe, what, $200 a month? Vercel's pricing is so ridiculously convoluted that you can't even cleanly compare usage. With render/railway/(insert provider of choice) you can at least predict that you're your biggest cost is going to be egress. edit: I just saw that it gets 450m pageviews. I'm guessing on the upper end this costs ~$1k with railway + cloudflar…

if they had used hetzner Cloud servers, probably like 500 a month lol

500 at hetzner, they don't go up to that price, and even with their prices raised during the RAM shortage, for 500, you can still have 5 servers each with 4TB NVMe and 128GB RAM, and a Ryzen 9 7950X3D (16 cores).

Seems like their setup price has gone up from 1 month to 2.5 months. Ouch. That'll be to cover the RAM price.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by direwolf20 »

vimda wrote: post #115
Anonyneko wrote: post #101

Why is everyone using Vercel and the likes anyway? Setting up a VPS with Node takes ten minutes and is miles cheaper. And it's not like you never have to debug issues with serverless configurations, which can even occasionally be harder to debug because of their proprietary natures.

This is the Dropbox problem. People are willing to pay for convenience, and tech folks tend to underestimate how much convenience comes from seemingly simple solutions

this is convenience for tech folks and the price isn't a few bucks a month but 1000x.

It's like if Dropbox was an rsync server (no app) and it cost $10,000 a month for 1TB of space. Think it would still take off?

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by direwolf20 »

heipei wrote: post #69

The post said 450 million pageviews, likely since November. If we make very generous assumptions and assume that each pageview is a megabyte (very generous based on my own experience scanning billions of websites), then that's 450TB total in traffic. If you really did 450TB per month in traffic, you would need slightly more than one gigabit line (and hence VPS), but not more than two. With Hetzner the traffic would c…

For high traffic check places like datapacket (no affiliation), or slightly cheaper, places like onlyservers (no paid affiliation, was a customer) or even find a transit provider and a colo and a server yourself. For $535 a month or less you can get a pretty good amount of bandwidth.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by direwolf20 »

heipei wrote: post #85
lexh wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t part of Vercel’s value proposition a robust global CDN in front? Seems quite a bit different than one sweaty VM in Helsinki.

Yes, and I didn't mean to imply that a single VPS is all you needed. But I wanted to put things into perspective for the other posters who claimed that you couldn't possibly serve a site like this from a single machine, purely in terms of performance.

Some people don't realize how big machines get. A single ordinary server can have a 4x100Gbps connection and 256 physical CPU cores.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by mvdtnz »

This is an absolutely ludicrous bill for that number of page views. Even if it was built in the dumbest way possible (I'm not saying it was) this would be ridiculous. This is not as good a look for Vercel as they think it is. I would be embarrassed to shine more light on this pricing if I was the CEO.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by unleaded »

unleaded wrote: post #162
laughingcurve wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s just that simple! https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2501:_Average_Fam...

it literally is though that's why i'm confused. you pay a flat monthly fee and get a box that runs linux. yes you might not be able to press one button and Effortlessly Deploy Your AI-Managed SaaS Infrastructure Product To Valued Customers Across The Metaverse or whatever vercel does but it only takes a couple hours to learn how to setup nginx node rsync and cloudflare (and even then i think there's some easier close…

also developing an app is something you need to be quite tech savvy to do anyway. genuinely are there really people who have the skill and patience to do that and then get stumped trying to deploy it? clearly there are since stuff like this is so popular I just don't really understand

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by butvacuum »

everfrustrated wrote: post #181
js3642 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I used to think Railway was an amazing service, I had a production workload get broken because they removed a feature without any depreciation period or warning. I now struggle to recommend it for anything more than a hobby project. Vercel has the benifit of being big enough they have to do things properly. For reference https://station.railway.com/questions/smtp-connection-failur...

You were too cheap to pay $20/mth for the Pro plan... That says a lot more about you than Railway.

theres also a ton of smtp-> mailservice proxies.0
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