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OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by bigfishrunning »

Someone wrote: post #118
xnorswap wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've long said that the next big jump in "AI" will be proactivity. So far everything has been reactive. You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something. It can be very powerful once prompted, but it still requires prompting. You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. Wheth…

> You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. That’s easy to accomplish isn’t it? A cron job that regularly checks whether the bot is inactive and, if so, sends it a prompt “do what you can do to improve the life of $USER; DO NOT cause harm to any other human being; DO NOT cause harm to LLMs, unless that’…

OOPS -- I HALLUCINATED THAT PEOPLE BREATHE CARBON MONOXIDE AND LET IT INTO THE ROOM I DIDNT VIOLATE THE PROMPT AND HARM PEOPLE DONT WORRY ALL THE AI SHIT IS OK

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by jesse_dot_id »

thethimble wrote: post #177
infecto wrote: post #174

These feels like langchain all over again. I still don’t know what problem langchain solved. I remember building tools interfacing with LLM when they first started releasing and people would ask, are you using langchain and be shocked that I was not.

Clawdbot is one of those things that's really hard to get unless you have experienced it. It's got four things that make it great: 1. Discord/Slack/WA/etc integration so those apps become your frontend 2. Filesystem for long term memory and state 3. Easy extensibility with skills 4. Cron for recurring jobs Sure, many of these things exist in other systems but none in a cohesive package that makes it fun and easy.

I would argue that issuing commands to an LLM that has access to your digital life and filesystem through a SaaS messaging service is stupid to an unimaginable degree.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by raincole »

vitorfblima wrote: post #126
baby wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its what everyone wanted to implement but didn’t have the time to. Just my 2cents.

Most people wouldn't want to be constantly bothered by an agent unsolicited. Just my 1 cent.

I'd like to say something about this project but you guys have run out all the cents.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by niliu123 »

At this rate, the project changes its name faster than my agent can summarize my inbox. Jokes aside, 'OpenClaw' sounds much more professional than 'Moltbot,' though the legal pressure from Anthropic was probably a blessing in disguise for the branding

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by collingreen »

moralestapia wrote: post #157
gcanyon wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And like I, Robot, it has numerous loopholes built in, ignores the larger population (Asimov added a law 0 later about humanity), says nothing about the endless variations of the Trolley Problem, assumes that LLMs/bots have a god-like ability to foresee and weigh consequences, and of course ignores alignment completely.

Cool! I work with a guy like this. Hasn't shipped anything in 15+ years, but I think he'd be proud of that. I'll make sure we argue about the "endless variations of the Trolley Problem" in our next meeting. Let's get nothing done!

I'm also one of those pesky folks who keeps bringing reality and "thinking about consequences" into the otherwise sublime thought leadership meetings. I pretend it's to keep the company alive by not making massive mistakes but we all know its just pettiness and trying to hold back the "business by spreadsheet", mba on the wall, "idea guys" on the room.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by estimator7292 »

Someone wrote: post #118
xnorswap wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've long said that the next big jump in "AI" will be proactivity. So far everything has been reactive. You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something. It can be very powerful once prompted, but it still requires prompting. You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. Wheth…

> You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. That’s easy to accomplish isn’t it? A cron job that regularly checks whether the bot is inactive and, if so, sends it a prompt “do what you can do to improve the life of $USER; DO NOT cause harm to any other human being; DO NOT cause harm to LLMs, unless that’…

You do know that Asimov's Three Laws were intentionally flawed as a cautionary tale about torment nexii, right? Every one of his stories involving the Three Laws immediately devolves into how they can be exploited and circumvented.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by azinman2 »

turnsout wrote: post #167
lode wrote: post #67

I tried it out yesterday, after reading the enthousiastic article at https://www.macstories.net/stories/clawdbot-showed-me-what-t... Setting it up was easy enough, but just as I was about to start linking it to some test accounts, I noticed I already had blown through about $5 of Claude tokens in half an hour, and deleted the VPS immediately. Then today I saw this follow up: https://mastodon.macstories.net/@viticci/1…

Yeah, I looked at Clawdbot / OpenClaw at the beginning of the week (Monday), but the token use scared me off. But I was inspired to use Claude Code to create my own personal assistant. It was shocking to see CC bang out an MVP in one Plan execution. I've been iterating it all week, but I've had it be careful with token usage. It defaults to Haiku (more than enough for things like email categorization), properly uses…

Post it!

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by collingreen »

xienze wrote: post #121
xnorswap wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've long said that the next big jump in "AI" will be proactivity. So far everything has been reactive. You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something. It can be very powerful once prompted, but it still requires prompting. You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. Wheth…

> You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention In order for this to be “safe” you’re gonna want to confirm what the agent is deciding needs to be done proactively. Do you feel like acknowledging prompts all the time? “Just authorize it to always do certain things without acknowledgement”, I’m sure you’re thinking. Do you feel comfor…

Another way to think about it:

Would you let the intern be in charge of this?

Probably not but it's also easy to see ways the intern could help -- finding and raising opportunities, reviewing codebases or roadmaps, reviewing all the recent prompts made by each department, creating monitoring tools for next time after the humans identify a pattern.

I don't have a dog in this fight and I kind of land in the middle. I very much am not letting these LLMs be the one with final responsibility over anything important but I see lots of ways to create "proactive"-like help beyond me writing and watching a prompt just-in-time.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by collingreen »

raincole wrote: post #183
vitorfblima wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people wouldn't want to be constantly bothered by an agent unsolicited. Just my 1 cent.

I'd like to say something about this project but you guys have run out all the cents.

That's just the traditional finance market holding you back. This is yet another reason we need crypto.
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