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Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by digiown »

jjice wrote: post #20
z2 wrote: post #7

Tesla also announced they will be discontinuing the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control they helped pioneer in cars sold going forward. But this is now a standard (free) feature even in basic vehicles like the Toyota Corolla. Why would they intentionally cripple their vehicles to the point hat they would be inferior to most cars today? Then I learned that Musk's incentive pay has a 10 million full self-dr…

I have a newer Corolla that's pretty much the absolute floor of the base model (LE with I believe minimal packages) and it has all the technology one would expect now, all while having physical buttons where it matters. Lane assist and adaptive cruise control are table stakes now.

Can you remove the modem or sim card to prevent it from phoning home without disabling these features?

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by cosmicgadget »

gilbetron wrote: post #107
socalgal2 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bet that's what people said to Steve Jobs when they were making the iPhone - PDA sales are 0.01% of PC sales in 2006

And also what people said to Dean Kamen when he was making the Segway in 2001.

Or Mark Zuckerberg when he was making the metaverse in 2019 or whatever.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by makeitrain »

AlexandrB wrote: post #154
sigio wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in (most of) europe, most of the safety-related features are mandatory on all new cars these days, so all these features must come on all trim levels. This does make the base model a lot more expensive then a few years back, but you get all the nice features, so that also makes them cheaper in general.

Honestly, I don't like this trend. Some of these features - like lane keeping - encourage/enable distracted driving. Meanwhile the necessary sensors make cars so expensive to repair that they're becoming a disposable good. As my driving instructor says: If you need a lane keeping system to keep your car in a lane, you shouldn't be behind the wheel.

Lane keeping assist helps when trying to use the increasingly complex infotainment systems to do simple things like adjust seat warmers.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

jjice wrote: post #20
z2 wrote: post #7

Tesla also announced they will be discontinuing the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control they helped pioneer in cars sold going forward. But this is now a standard (free) feature even in basic vehicles like the Toyota Corolla. Why would they intentionally cripple their vehicles to the point hat they would be inferior to most cars today? Then I learned that Musk's incentive pay has a 10 million full self-dr…

I have a newer Corolla that's pretty much the absolute floor of the base model (LE with I believe minimal packages) and it has all the technology one would expect now, all while having physical buttons where it matters. Lane assist and adaptive cruise control are table stakes now.

Tesla Model 3/Y will includes Lane Departure Avoidance (a reactive safety feature that nudges you back if you accidentally drift over a line), it just will not actively steer to keep you centered

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by Qwertious »

nailer wrote: post #9
p-o wrote: post #2

What makes this move even more incredulous is that none of the two market they want to move towards are proven markets: - Waymo is generating less than 150m in 2025. - Consumer robotics is an absolute unknown. How can the transition be rationally justified? Let alone the valuation.

Because it's hard and Tesla think they can do it. See 'reusable rockets' and 'having paralysed people control things with their minds' for other examples. HN often seem to think there's Elon fans downmodding things but it seems more like a case of irrational hatred.

More examples, please! Reusable rockets is the load-bearing example, I don't think that argument works without it. You could maybe squeeze in "he kickstarted the EV market".

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by plorkyeran »

falcor84 wrote: post #102
TacoCommander wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parallel steps: Step 1: SpaceX IPO Step 2: Trillion dollar payout Step 3: Nothing matters any more

>Nothing matters any more Something tells me that Musk isn't the sort of person who'd ever be satisfied. It's easier for me to imagine him like Mr. House from Fallout, trying to control everything over centuries.

This is true of every billionaire who is still actively trying to get more money. If you're not satisfied at that point, there's no number where you will be.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by decimalenough »

duskwuff wrote: post #137
TylerE wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the remote house keeper can be in some super locl 3rd world country where the prevailing wage is a few bucks a day.

That's a pretty profoundly dystopian concept. If the only way this technology is viable is as a way to exploit labor at a distance - count me out.

The person in a third world country is not a slave, they're doing the job for a few bucks a day because it's still better than other options available to them.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

mdavid626 wrote: post #75

Why is everyone freaking out? They won’t produce cars which don’t sell well. Model S and Model Y were rounding errors. They won’t make 25k cars either. Very little margin on that. Pivoting to consumer robots? Isn’t that cool?

> Pivoting to consumer robots? Isn’t that cool?

Has there been a single public video of an Optimus robot that isn't an embarrassment? Has there been a single public video of an Optimus robot performing a complex or precise task? No, scooping popcorn at the Tesla diner isn't a complex or precise task...it wasn't very good at that in the videos I saw either, and it seemed they only had it doing that job for a short amount of time. If we're that close to consumer robots, why isn't Tesla (or other Musk companies) increasingly using them internally? Seems like it'd be a great way to prove the potential while working through the kinks.

It'd be exciting if there was any actual detectable signal of a product worth buying.

Instead we have...this... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bk91DpkdPQY

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by NorwegianDude »

samiv wrote: post #15

I heard Tesla's "Full Self Drive" is now ready. The only thing missing is "self" and "full" but that's just a small detail. Moving on to fully autonomous robots now.

I guess people are just a few days from starting to earn $30k/yr on their model 3s, as musk said it years ago? lol
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