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Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by y-curious »

zoeysmithe wrote: post #83
positron26 wrote: post #78

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Anyone who hates driving, being stuck in traffic, anyone who benefits when the cost of transportation is cheaper, anyone who hates insurance, all of society benefits. In some parallel universe self driving and fusion are both crash projects receiving well administered social scale funding. Lots of things are. It is somewhat miraculous that we don't all live in this conclusion, realizing these huge value creation oppo…

None of that is solved by automated driving. You want public trains, BRT bus systems, trams, etc. The ideal universe is you stepping on public trans, not piloting various rube goldberg-esque machines that are far more dangerous and will always contribute to traffic and "one more lane" does not work.

Public transit is great but it is not a catch all solution. Farmers need trucks, people in rural areas need to get places at odd hours. Drunk people need to be ferried to distant places. Automated cars and good transit are not mutually exclusive.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by lifeisgood99 »

mbirth wrote: post #38
ab_testing wrote: post #22

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How is the experience on the Corolla. How much can it do by itself?

What a coincidence, LTT tested it a few months ago in a Corolla. Here’s the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdmxM-v4KQg

15 mins in. It's terrible. How is this allowed on the roads?

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by literalAardvark »

thunfischtoast wrote: post #168
SirMaster wrote: post #140

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Everyone that I have heard from who uses one say that it reduces the monotonous mental load and frees up their brain to focus more on being aware of other drivers and what's happening on the road, rather than worrying about their speed and exact steering. People report being more alert and more aware of things about to go wrong.

I've made a similar experience. Not having to focus on my exact speed all the time (using adaptive cruise control) enables me to watch the mirrors more. It also enables me to keep my attention over multiple hours. On a kinda unrelated note: I lately see more and more people watching streams or Tik Tok while driving. If of course you use your newly acquired freedom for that it will lead to more accidents.

One thing I really appreciate about cruise control is that my foot can be floating above the brake at all times.

This cuts an entire second off of brake times in motorcycling, where it's just a quick hand move that you MUST do (well, 80% of it, the throttle release part) anyway because if you leave the throttle on you will wipe out, so I'd assume it cuts even more for a move like a large lateral move of a leg in a car.

Only issue is that you need to be careful with that foot to avoid keeping your brake lights on at all times.

Note that this might only apply to driving stick. I'm not sure if left foot on brakes is best practice in automatics.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by buildbot »

FYI if I get hit by someone and I find out they are using comma, everyone’s is getting a lawsuit.

Is there a hard safety check for an insane steering angle? Full brake or throttle? ECC error? What happens!? That’s what a safety standard checks and certifies for.

Incredibly dangerous, irresponsible, and illegal to be using this around other people. At least Tesla vaguely pretends to work with regulators. The cute download your own firmware so they aren’t shipping an illegal device? Encouraging hands off, inattentive driving? Let’s see how civil court sees that.

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Post by extraduder_ire »

phrotoma wrote: post #171
itake wrote: post #93

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I think it was xbox?

Perhaps you're thinking of Bunnie Huang, who wrote a book about reversing the xbox. I love Bunnie because he seems to be in it for the joy and the sharing of information. Geohot (IIUC) hacked the iphone because apple didn't allow devs to run their own code at launch, and the playstation because sony removed the ability to run linux on the console. I love geohot because he seems to be in it to stick it to the man.

I think his iphone hack only involved hacking the cellular chip, so that it would work with networks other than Cingular/AT&T.

Then a Russian guy traded him a BMW for it.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by geaibleu »

buildbot wrote: post #185

FYI if I get hit by someone and I find out they are using comma, everyone’s is getting a lawsuit. Is there a hard safety check for an insane steering angle? Full brake or throttle? ECC error? What happens!? That’s what a safety standard checks and certifies for. Incredibly dangerous, irresponsible, and illegal to be using this around other people. At least Tesla vaguely pretends to work with regulators. The cute down…

You aren't going to like answer but yes, there are firmware safety checks + CAN checksums. And driver facing camera tracking your attention so you aren't asleep behind the wheel. Something that your Tesla apparently failed to consider https://driving.ca/auto-news/crashes/sleeping-tesla-driver-r...

Your attitude reminds me of how Microsoft fans talked down Linux and GNU; blah blah open source can never be as good/secure/stable as our billion-dollar commercial product because money/certificate

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by pstuart »

written-beyond wrote: post #131
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #124

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Huh, I'm the exact opposite. With the exception of Hannah Fry's work at deepmind (where she acts as a charismatic proxy for the more nerdy guests), he is by far the best interviewer on technical stuff (AI stuff mostly, but some early robotics stuff as well). He knows the field, he asks pertinent questions and more importantly he knows when to just let the speaker speak. Compared to someone like Dwarkesh, it's night a…

Saying he "knows the field" is kind of pushing it. He's good at conversations and that's about it, his actual merits are questionable at best. Best interviewer is Primagen, a senior engineer with balanced takes that has seen both extremes of life.

Primagen is awesome. Smart, experienced, and opinionated (with reasonable opinions).

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by buildbot »

geaibleu wrote: post #187
buildbot wrote: post #185

FYI if I get hit by someone and I find out they are using comma, everyone’s is getting a lawsuit. Is there a hard safety check for an insane steering angle? Full brake or throttle? ECC error? What happens!? That’s what a safety standard checks and certifies for. Incredibly dangerous, irresponsible, and illegal to be using this around other people. At least Tesla vaguely pretends to work with regulators. The cute down…

You aren't going to like answer but yes, there are firmware safety checks + CAN checksums. And driver facing camera tracking your attention so you aren't asleep behind the wheel. Something that your Tesla apparently failed to consider https://driving.ca/auto-news/crashes/sleeping-tesla-driver-r... Your attitude reminds me of how Microsoft fans talked down Linux and GNU; blah blah open source can never be as good/secu…

Okay, is every change validated by a safety agency? No. I asked a lawyer this question and the answer was “on every level yes you could sue them”.

Edit - Further back and forth and depending on the circumstances, comma could be criminally liable.

I don’t have a tesla or a car.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by geaibleu »

buildbot wrote: post #189
geaibleu wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't going to like answer but yes, there are firmware safety checks + CAN checksums. And driver facing camera tracking your attention so you aren't asleep behind the wheel. Something that your Tesla apparently failed to consider https://driving.ca/auto-news/crashes/sleeping-tesla-driver-r... Your attitude reminds me of how Microsoft fans talked down Linux and GNU; blah blah open source can never be as good/secu…

Okay, is every change validated by a safety agency? No. I asked a lawyer this question and the answer was “on every level yes you could sue them”. Edit - Further back and forth and depending on the circumstances, comma could be criminally liable. I don’t have a tesla or a car.

You have an auto industry lawyer on retainer to ask hypotheticals on Sunday evening?

First answer your own question (and ask lawyer while you at it), is every changed pushed by Tesla reviewed by EU/CA/US regulators? And then explain to me how your Tesla still allowed driver to fall asleep. FYI that was not a singular accident.

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