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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

#181
I started the same process some time ago. I've made different choices but with the same goal.

I'm moving slowly because this kind of migration is never easy, but I fully intend to move >90% of my stuff to European providers (and 100% of the critical parts).

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

#182

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I agree with everything, just want to add a downside of proton which is often forgotten: there is no search. You cannot search your emails’ body (headers work, but keywords like “from:” still do not work for search), you cannot search the content of your files, etc. It’s the price of end-to-end encryption. The only workaround is synchronising everything locally and searching locally.

But you still can use Thunderbird for that. I recommend it no matter what mail provider is used. Web interfaces are so heavy nowadays, compared to that, Thunderbird feels so fast.

Until some time ago they prevented users from using Thunderbird for Protonmail though. Well, good that now it is possible!

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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I really want to get my entire company out of Google and into Infomaniak but persuading anyone to use their docs suite is going to be impossible, it's awful.

Maybe nextcloud workspace, perhaps with Onlyoffice plug in? Iirc you can get managed nextcloud from ionos

We used to have a self-hosted Nextcloud and everyone hated the docs in it. We're a design company, with everyone on Macs, so something this ugly, clunky and hard to use [0] is never going to get traction.

[0] https://nextcloud.com/c/uploads/2025/09/Nextcloud-Hub-25-Aut...

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

MSFT is absolutely screwed, they have ruined every single product they have (OS, Azure, M365) through a combination of hiring subpar cheap devs and AI code slop, and their big strategic money squeeze bet on AI is about to be severely undercut by the market. There is very little of actual value left in the company, they're only held in place by the OS monopoly. Whatever nostalgic love there has been for the company fr…

Absolutely screwed! Every single product they have - OS (dominant desktop and laptop OS by a wide margin), Azure - (gaining in second place, now 25% vs AWS 31%), M365 (also dominant, particularly in terms of revenue). None of these show any sign of going anywhere, and if anything, the numbers for cloud and M365 are trending up.

I could only wish my own business were this screwed.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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> USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy. I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, and the latest news is that they're still trying / succeeding on some fronts. Please don't reduce such complicated matters to red vs. blue, it's really more complicated and there are no easy solutions anywhere.

> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, Chat control is an EU thing. The article is about a move to Proton which is Swiss and therefore outside the EU and not directly affected by chat control or other EU laws. Of course the EU might make it illegal for them to supply their services to EU countries, but then no platform anywhere can avoid that problem. On…

Proton already announced earlier this year that they are leaving Switzerland due to legal uncertainty and relocating their physical infrastructure to Germany, which obviously is in the EU.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

#186

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

Does anyone know if the android app for ProtonMail works now? It became unusable a couple of years ago

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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post #154

It is not an EU based stack. Proton is Swiss and Switzerland is not in the EU.

The title is “an almost All-EU Stack”

The most important part of it is Proton. the article says:

"The biggest impact on this migration has come from Proton".

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

#188

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“Worse” is fully dependant on what you’re looking to get out of a product. I consider anything Google/Meta to be about as bad as it gets because I disagree with their business practices and value my privacy.

“Worse” has a defined meaning and they’re right. Proton stuff doesn’t hold a candle to the level of polish of Google.

Their level of “polish” extends to dangerous, unreliable levels of automation.

For anything enterprise related, I would avoid Google and their automated account bans without the possibility of contacting a human tech-support agent like the plague.

You pay for a SaaS solution to remove worries to your day-to-day, not to add more things to worry about.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

#189

Am I the only one who doesn't care about E2E encryption, and just want an EU alternative? I DON'T WANT my chats to be "full E2E encrypted" with a 6-digit pin, only for me to loose them when I get a new phone. I DON'T WANT having to use a special gateway instead of normal IMAP to access my Proton mail. It really feels like server-side encryption is being forced down my throat and I don't consent. FB Messenger, X Chat,…

Try Migadu. It’s great.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

#190

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

Have you seen any difference in email reception rates from Proton?
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