I'm moving slowly because this kind of migration is never easy, but I fully intend to move >90% of my stuff to European providers (and 100% of the critical parts).
I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with everything, just want to add a downside of proton which is often forgotten: there is no search. You cannot search your emails’ body (headers work, but keywords like “from:” still do not work for search), you cannot search the content of your files, etc. It’s the price of end-to-end encryption. The only workaround is synchronising everything locally and searching locally.
But you still can use Thunderbird for that. I recommend it no matter what mail provider is used. Web interfaces are so heavy nowadays, compared to that, Thunderbird feels so fast.
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really want to get my entire company out of Google and into Infomaniak but persuading anyone to use their docs suite is going to be impossible, it's awful.
Maybe nextcloud workspace, perhaps with Onlyoffice plug in? Iirc you can get managed nextcloud from ionos
[0] https://nextcloud.com/c/uploads/2025/09/Nextcloud-Hub-25-Aut...
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#184Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…
MSFT is absolutely screwed, they have ruined every single product they have (OS, Azure, M365) through a combination of hiring subpar cheap devs and AI code slop, and their big strategic money squeeze bet on AI is about to be severely undercut by the market. There is very little of actual value left in the company, they're only held in place by the OS monopoly. Whatever nostalgic love there has been for the company fr…
I could only wish my own business were this screwed.
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
> USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy. I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, and the latest news is that they're still trying / succeeding on some fronts. Please don't reduce such complicated matters to red vs. blue, it's really more complicated and there are no easy solutions anywhere.
> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, Chat control is an EU thing. The article is about a move to Proton which is Swiss and therefore outside the EU and not directly affected by chat control or other EU laws. Of course the EU might make it illegal for them to supply their services to EU countries, but then no platform anywhere can avoid that problem. On…
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#186Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#187Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Worse” is fully dependant on what you’re looking to get out of a product. I consider anything Google/Meta to be about as bad as it gets because I disagree with their business practices and value my privacy.
“Worse” has a defined meaning and they’re right. Proton stuff doesn’t hold a candle to the level of polish of Google.
For anything enterprise related, I would avoid Google and their automated account bans without the possibility of contacting a human tech-support agent like the plague.
You pay for a SaaS solution to remove worries to your day-to-day, not to add more things to worry about.
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#189Am I the only one who doesn't care about E2E encryption, and just want an EU alternative? I DON'T WANT my chats to be "full E2E encrypted" with a 6-digit pin, only for me to loose them when I get a new phone. I DON'T WANT having to use a special gateway instead of normal IMAP to access my Proton mail. It really feels like server-side encryption is being forced down my throat and I don't consent. FB Messenger, X Chat,…
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#190Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…