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Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by cjbgkagh »

9dev wrote: post #162
cjbgkagh wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few people in charge, they just don’t advertise the fact. Similar how the ‘Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence’. These both appear correct to the vast majority of people because of the Pareto distribution of outcomes, the vast majority of people experience the incompetence / no-one in charge and don’t experience the relatively tiny number of events when the competent…

No, that's what I was getting at. Thinking "they" are in charge is actually very widespread, with varying opinions on who "they" actually are—whether it's billionaires for you, the Rothschild's for others, or Reptilians for some. How great it would be to have a select few evil masterminds, a clear enemy to roil against! That isn't reality, though. Would the super-secret council of puppet masters have allowed Trump to…

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Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by thmsths »

freedomben wrote: post #129
tejohnso wrote: post #91

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> they could sit on their hands and still get paid Could? I know of government employees who literally cannot do their job, yet somehow they've been employed for over twenty years. When I say they can't do their job, I mean they have to ask coworkers how to do something that is and always has been a job requirement, and they have to "ask for help" every time. People are actually enabling massive amounts of waste and…

Indeed. I work with governments all over the United States from federal, to states to counties, and even to larger cities. This is a consistent pattern I see as well. We have senior IT people who don't even know basics about firewall configuration. In one place, I waited 2 weeks for the IT person to figure out how to even get into the firewall configuration. Then they proceeded to completely screw it up in obvious wa…

I don't believe there is an easy fix though. The government will prioritize retention because it promotes institutional stability while at the same time offering low pay (and not just low pay but often a complete lack of flexibility regarding pay) because the electorate demands it.

Which means that the truly good people are basically quirky people with strong work ethic/believe in the mission that happened to join the organization for some reason.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by hs586 »

SirHumphrey wrote: post #33
richsouth wrote: post #11

Developers of apps that use end-to-end encryption to protect private communications could be considered hostile actors in the UK. <-- HTTPS does this. What about secure sites like baking sites that encrypt end-to-end? Old farts making laws about things they know nothing about.

>>> Old farts making laws about things they know nothing about. We should probably stop saying and believing that. This is basically the UK government making a deal to the developers they cannot refuse: cooperate (install backdoors) or get prosecuted. The French tried to do something similar not so long ago. A decade ago politicians genuinely didn’t know much about the internet so most of the laws were terribly ill i…

Exactly this. I do not think this is a case of Hanlon's razor. Assuming incompetence or stupidity of the government officials trying to push for is very dangerous.

(Great username, btw, SirHumphrey)

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by random9749832 »

DaSHacka wrote: post #178
random9749832 wrote: post #109

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Irish unity will never happen. Not even sure where that came from. People can make random accounts named after Shrek making weird claims that immediately gets upvoted. The mass astroturfing you see everywhere on the internet now has made it shit.

"astroturfing is when a lot of people disagree with me"

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Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by 9dev »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #181
9dev wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that's what I was getting at. Thinking "they" are in charge is actually very widespread, with varying opinions on who "they" actually are—whether it's billionaires for you, the Rothschild's for others, or Reptilians for some. How great it would be to have a select few evil masterminds, a clear enemy to roil against! That isn't reality, though. Would the super-secret council of puppet masters have allowed Trump to…

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So it is the Zionists for you. I should have guessed so.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by parineum »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #154
9dev wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know its satisfying to think of the government as some singular nefarious entity, but the reality is far worse: There is no one in charge. It’s chaos all the way down.

There are a few people in charge, they just don’t advertise the fact. Similar how the ‘Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence’. These both appear correct to the vast majority of people because of the Pareto distribution of outcomes, the vast majority of people experience the incompetence / no-one in charge and don’t experience the relatively tiny number of events when the competent…

> Consider if you were hosting the Jekyll Island meeting, how many people of what caliber would you invite to be there? And that’s just one of the meetings we know about. Another good one is the involvement of Bohemian Grove in selecting Ronald Regan to run for president. Their motto, "Weaving spiders come not here", like many institutions, describes the opposite of what actually happens there.

That's some pretty classic conspiracy theory stuff. No evidence of anything nefarious, just heavily implied.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by dylan604 »

flowerthoughts wrote: post #17

> He warns that developers of apps like Signal and WhatsApp could technically fall within the legal definition of "hostile activity" simply because their technology "make[s] it more difficult for UK security and intelligence agencies to monitor communications. Sounds like Let's Encrypt would also fall under that. This has got to stop. If you want to stop criminals, then focus on their illegal activites, not the stree…

> Today, someone can post a Telegram group message and make thousands of people rally to a town square

The "fun" part of this is that the person writing the message on these apps might not even be a local person involved, but some person far away in another country just trying to stir up some shit.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by fennecfoxy »

amelius wrote: post #30

Soon in the UK: "That photo you took looks too noisy. You could be hiding data in it!"

Lmao next-gen noiseless image sensors developed in response to UK gov's snooping.

Just kidding, I'm well aware that we'll likely never escape photon/shot noise. :(

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by dylan604 »

debugnik wrote: post #139
gbil wrote: post #81

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Curtains should also fall under the same category because they do make it more difficult for UK security and intelligence agencies to monitor suspect activities. Then of course you also have walls... The argument is so fundamentally stupid that they should be embarrassed just putting it down in writing!

Don't worry, WiFi sensing will eventually remove our walls and curtains for free in that respect.

We'd probably see new regulations mandating WiFi 7, and making anything older illegal

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by fennecfoxy »

I know this is about UK (where I am a foreigner living for almost a decade).

But why are pretty much all governments universally inept? It's not only the UK but US gov has also pushed for this and plenty of other stupendously stupid ideas or decisions - and plenty of other governments (well, all of them) besides.

It leads me to believe that our species is incapable of leading itself, that we are incapable of choosing good leaders.

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