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Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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> He warns that developers of apps like Signal and WhatsApp could technically fall within the legal definition of "hostile activity" simply because their technology "make[s] it more difficult for UK security and intelligence agencies to monitor communications. Sounds like Let's Encrypt would also fall under that. This has got to stop. If you want to stop criminals, then focus on their illegal activites, not the stree…

> This has got to stop. If you want to stop criminals, then focus on their illegal activites, not the streets they walk on. That would be against everything european governments stand for.

this is simply not true

it was the EU which had stopped many similar unhinged attempts from the UK when the UK was still a member

similar it had been the EU which had shut down various other surveillance nonsense of the EU

you are basically pretending the EU is a person with one uniform opinion and goals

but it's like the opposite of it, like in a lot of way

it's a union of states, each having a vastly different goals and culture and non of them having a "single uniform opinion" either but (in most cases) a more complex political field then the US (on a federal level)

Furthermore the most influential organ of the EU when it comes to making changes is literally a composition of the elected leaders of the member states. So for most big controversial decisions the driving and directing force isn't "the EU" but but the various elected leaders of the member states. For EU citizens blaming "the EU" instead of blaming your own elected leaders is common, but pretty counter productive, as it's basically pretending you have no power to change things.

Furthermore in the EU you have an additional parliament which (in general) needs to ratify laws and two high courts which can (and in context of mass surveillance repeatedly have) shut down misguided "laws", including in many cases local attempts at mass surveillance laws.

So while some parts of the EU have consistently pushed for mass surveillance in recent years other parts also have consistently moved against it.

In general while the EU needs a lot more transparency and some more democratic processes in some aspects a lot (not all) of the "stories told to make the EU look dump/bad" have a lot of important context stripped from that (like e.g. that a lot of the current push for surveillance comes from the locally elected leaders not the EU parliament or some other abstract "the EU" thing, it's your own countries leader/lead party(1) which does or at least tolerates that shit).

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

#102

> He warns that developers of apps like Signal and WhatsApp could technically fall within the legal definition of "hostile activity" simply because their technology "make[s] it more difficult for UK security and intelligence agencies to monitor communications. Sounds like Let's Encrypt would also fall under that. This has got to stop. If you want to stop criminals, then focus on their illegal activites, not the stree…

I wonder if architects should be prosecuted first making non-transparent building structures making the observation of people very very hard for those puny security and intelligence agencies! Architects, you bastards! You aid and abet criminals!

Don't get me started on locksmiths, oh the horror!

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

#103
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This has got to stop. If you want to stop criminals, then focus on their illegal activites, not the streets they walk on. That would be against everything european governments stand for.

I don't understand why you got heavily downvoted. Yes, there are governments that are worse than European, but the decline of European government is the fastest. You may be surprised that the UK is the world leader in the number of people arrested because of internet posts. And that Germany, which is still way behind the UK, has more people arrested for the same reason than Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Belarus,…

The UK is not part of the EU, and its security services are barely affiliated with it. That all ended with Brexit.

It's absolutely hopeless at protecting citizens from foreign threats.

95% of the arrests aren't actually arrests. The police send you a polite letter, you write a polite response, and at least 90% of the time the case is dropped.

Compare with various authoritarian dictatorships where if the police turn up at your door you're unlikely to survive.

And - unlike the US - no one is hauling random British brown people off the streets and sending them to prison camps.

The UK does have a far-right party desperate to end judicial oversight and remove legal protections from torture, etc, by ending support for the ECHR.

There's currently a huge online campaign, funded in part with foreign money and supported by most of the British press (foreign billionaire owned...), to make their far-right dictatorship seem like a political inevitability.

It isn't. But they're trying really really hard to pretend otherwise.

Putin is also really, really pissed at the EU for taking Russian money and using it for defence and reparations.

But - you know - if you start a war because you're a grandiose psychopath, that's what happens.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Developers of apps that use end-to-end encryption to protect private communications could be considered hostile actors in the UK. <-- HTTPS does this. What about secure sites like baking sites that encrypt end-to-end? Old farts making laws about things they know nothing about.

Why worry about E2E encryption, in theory just need a cert issued from a vast array of CAs or intermediates. Which I wouldn't be suprised they possess the ability through some type of secret warrant, heck even private keys.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why you got heavily downvoted. Yes, there are governments that are worse than European, but the decline of European government is the fastest. You may be surprised that the UK is the world leader in the number of people arrested because of internet posts. And that Germany, which is still way behind the UK, has more people arrested for the same reason than Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Belarus,…

> I don't understand why you got heavily downvoted. Because his post contributes nothing to the discussion. > Yes, there are governments that are worse than European, but the decline of European government is the fastest. What makes it the fastest? > You may be surprised that the UK is the world leader in the number of people arrested because of internet posts. And that Germany, which is still way behind the UK, has…

If they are beacons maybe democracy has outlived its usefulness. Bad pr for democracy as a concept.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

#106
post #45

Not unlike in Canada right now. The bill is stage 2 but proceeding. https://www.globalencryption.org/2025/09/open-letter-bill-c-...

This needs more attention due to the potential impact on OpenBSD and OpenSSH (both Canadian).

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

#107
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK arrests 12k people per year for social media posts, using vague laws to undermine free speech. Here's the citation from the EU parliament itself [1], since I doubt you'd believe non-government sources. > That is because Germany and UK are beacons of democracy when compared to the countries that you listed. Read my comment again. The fact that the UK and Germany are in some aspects still better than the ones I…

What did those people post?

One example is: "I think it’s time for the British to gang together, hit the streets and start the slaughter."

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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> He warns that developers of apps like Signal and WhatsApp could technically fall within the legal definition of "hostile activity" simply because their technology "make[s] it more difficult for UK security and intelligence agencies to monitor communications. Sounds like Let's Encrypt would also fall under that. This has got to stop. If you want to stop criminals, then focus on their illegal activites, not the stree…

> Time to read up on which parties are sane and which aren't when it comes to technical infrastructure.

Check out the Pirate party's stance on integrity and internet:

https://piratpartiet.se/sakpolitik/integritetspolitik/

https://piratpartiet.se/sakpolitik/natpolitik/

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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The authorities here (UK resident) are already pushing hard for as much authoritarianism as they can get. They are also increasing prison capacity and the two tier system is a genuine thing with public services collapsing. Police militarization, drones, army unit investigating private civilians, digital powers widening... I am more scared of the government than I am of local paramilitary forces at this point. It may…

Irish unity will never happen. Not even sure where that came from.

People can make random accounts named after Shrek making weird claims that immediately gets upvoted. The mass astroturfing you see everywhere on the internet now has made it shit.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This has got to stop. If you want to stop criminals, then focus on their illegal activites, not the streets they walk on. That would be against everything european governments stand for.

I don't understand why you got heavily downvoted. Yes, there are governments that are worse than European, but the decline of European government is the fastest. You may be surprised that the UK is the world leader in the number of people arrested because of internet posts. And that Germany, which is still way behind the UK, has more people arrested for the same reason than Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Belarus,…

What European Government?
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