Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only if you already upgraded to the one with the bug in it, and then only if you ignore "this patch is actually different: read this notice and deploy it immediately". The argument is not "never update quickly": it is don't routinely deploy updates constantly that are not known to be high priority fixes.
> The argument is not "never update quickly": it is don't routinely deploy updates constantly that are not known to be high priority fixes. Yes. I'm saying that's wrong. The default should always be to upgrade to new upstream releases immediately. Only in exceptional cases should things be held back.
We should all be using dependency cooldowns
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Re: We should all be using dependency cooldowns
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only if you already upgraded to the one with the bug in it, and then only if you ignore "this patch is actually different: read this notice and deploy it immediately". The argument is not "never update quickly": it is don't routinely deploy updates constantly that are not known to be high priority fixes.
> The argument is not "never update quickly": it is don't routinely deploy updates constantly that are not known to be high priority fixes. Yes. I'm saying that's wrong. The default should always be to upgrade to new upstream releases immediately. Only in exceptional cases should things be held back.
Re: We should all be using dependency cooldowns
#183The think I find most odd about the constant pressure to update to the most recent and implied best version is that there is some implicit belief that software get's uniformly better with each release. Bottom line those security bugs are not all from version 1.0 , and when you update you may well just be swapping known bugs for unknown bugs. As has been said elsewhere - sure monitor published issues and patch if need…
One great example of that is log4shell. If you were still using version 1.0 (log4j 1.x), you were not vulnerable, since the bug was introduced in version 2.0 (log4j 2.x). There were some known vulnerabilities in log4j 1.x, but the most common configuration (logging only to a local file or to the console, no remote logging or other exotic stuff) was not affected by any of them.
Re: We should all be using dependency cooldowns
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#185Re: We should all be using dependency cooldowns
#186The article assumes that the duration of the attack window is fixed and independent of the cooldown period. It's not. Once everyone waits to update the time until the vulnerability is found increases and the attack window will grow.
Re: We should all be using dependency cooldowns
#187Also, there should a way to distinguish between security updates and normal updates for this. If there is, a cooldown is a useful idea in general for normal updates, since (presumably) the current version works and the new version may introduce bugs.
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#188Re: We should all be using dependency cooldowns
#189This assumes the direct mode of exploitation. The indirect mode (where an attacker inserts a vulnerability) does not necessarily have the 'short time span' issue. So not a complete solution by any means. Also, there should a way to distinguish between security updates and normal updates for this. If there is, a cooldown is a useful idea in general for normal updates, since (presumably) the current version works and t…
The short time span isn’t just because exploits get attention: it’s to allow the groups which do automated analysis time to respond. Significantly increasing the challenge level for an attacker to introduce a vulnerability is a meaningful improvement even if it doesn’t prevent that class of attack entirely.
Re: We should all be using dependency cooldowns
#190If everyone uses cooldowns would the discovery time potentially get pushed back?