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HN is anti-nonsense, anti-hype, anti-crime, so, yeah, pretty anti-cryptocurrency.
until one's society started to collapse, one does not think crypto is good
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This raises a lot of questions. Did they actually ask for money to these big companies? Did they get rejected? Another approach could be to move this under the umbrella of any of the other OSS foundations. I can imagine the Linux Foundation would be a good place. Well funded, already has most of the stakeholders involved, and this clearly falls in their scope of interest at least. It would not surprise me if that was…
I'd happily donate to NTP if and only if AI companies are barred from using free software like this in the future via the sw license. I don't WANT to be part of this internet that's hostile and exploitative towards users anymore.
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The major Linux distributions replaced ntp with ntpsec. A better question would be who is still running ntp. I know about FreeBSD and NetBSD. ntpsec as a project seems to be doing ok. They are releasing new versions, fix reported issues, accept patches, and develop the code publicly. While ntp still has a huge list of acknowledged but unfixed CVEs.
Which distributions use ntpsec?
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I agree with you in this, I donate to a few Open Source Projects, I really cannot afford to donate to one that multi-billon $ companies use for free. For example, OpenSSH. Used everywhere yet IBM gives a big fat 0 to that project even though OpenSSH is even used in AIX. Even though I love to complain about Microsoft, M/S does donate a decent amount to OpenSSH via OpenBSD, so M/S gets my respect for doing that. Time c…
There's probably some stupid legal reason behind why they don't donate.
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The reference implementation, while historically important, has largely been displaced by more secure/performant implementations (ntpsec, chrony), or by in-house implementations (Amazon, Google). Notably NTPd doesn't support leap-smear, which means those who absolutely must have monotonic time can't use it at all.
> Notably NTPd doesn't support leap-smear, which means those who absolutely must have monotonic time can't use it at all. It should be noted that there currently exists no standard, technical or statutory, for how to do leap smearing. If an event happens and you need to tie your timestamped event logs to the 'greater reality' in some legally binding way there's (AIUI) no way to do that. A few years ago there was a dr…
TAI (Temps Atomique International), is UTC without leap seconds and is the source of truth for "what time is it"
I'm finding conflicting reports of being able to actually use TAI on linux but there are several claims of at least specialty setups existing. You would absolutely not want smearing or anything like that in your time synchronization software in this case.
I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.
> Let it fail and see what happens. It will get replaced by a proprietary protocol/paid service from each Azure, Cloudflare, Google, AWS, ... The rest of us will be S.O.L.
Even if the NTP pool somehow died, all it takes to make your own Stratum 1 NTP service is a GPS chip. An old phone probably makes a great small-scale NTP server, or an ESP32 with a GPS chip attached. 20 years ago it would have required exotic parts, but they're mundane, cheap and omnipresent these days.
This was submitted with a title that doesn’t match the page and is not even accurste (Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up) is not correct. This donation page is not for the public NTP pool. It’s for the NTP Project organization and their web page. All of the angry comments from people who think NTP will stop working if the donation bar doesn’t get to $1000 are misinformed. Also note that the bar isn’t upda…
You’re right, people are plainly commenting based on the title. The goal has now mysteriously changed to a goal of $4000.
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Even a single highly paid employee of a FAANG, many of whom frequent this very forum, could pay for a year without breaking the bank.
100% true, but they shouldn't have to. If FAANG is using it, they should fund it. I don't want to work in a culture where the employees pay for the corporations' tools.
Maybe building the world on open source software was not good idea